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also know

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how to

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welcome back my friends

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back to another edition of the midnight

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hour show

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my name is steven cambion also known as

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the mystery man

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bringing you

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an incredible night of mystery

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tonight my friends

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we will be discussing one of my very

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favorite mysteries and that is

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the mystery of roswell

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in early june

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1947

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something

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yes my friends

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something

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crashed in the desert

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since

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that time

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there has been an incredible amount of

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material

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on this

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mystery

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on this thing that some would say

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is an incredible conspiracy

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my own study into this has led me in a

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hundred different directions

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and to be quite honest i have avoided

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doing a show

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on this roswell thing even though it's

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one of my very favorite cases

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the reason for this my friends is quite

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i like to make sure

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that i bring my guests an absolute

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expert an incredible

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guest that can shed light on this

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subject and until now

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i have not had access to someone that i

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trusted enough

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to bring my listeners the truth

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but all that is going to change tonight

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because tonight we have world renowned

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ufo expert author lecturer and

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researcher and roswell expert don

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this man has been

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investigating roswell for decades i've

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read all his books which are extremely

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well written and well researched

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and i'm pleased and delighted to be able

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to have him on our show tonight

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to help us all

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what could perhaps

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be the truth

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of one of the greatest mysteries

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on planet earth

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the roswell case is truly one of the

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greatest cases

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in so-called ufology and with good

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this is an incredible story that's got

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all the pieces of an amazing mystery

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possible alien crash landing

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death bed confessions about what really

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this is one of the greatest cases

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ever because

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literally mountains of evidence that go

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an international story there was people

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government about this case

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and i don't think you should either

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flying saucer and a weather balloon

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and in my study of this incredible case

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i have found that the evidence to

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support the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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and this is one of the reasons i wanted

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to have my guest don schmidt

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on the show tonight

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this subject he can tell you the names

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of the men who were there at the debris

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driver of the truck who drove it back to

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skeptics about roswell who make

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ridiculous statements like well there's

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top secret balloon project that had

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even the stories of their children

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as told in don schmidt's amazing book

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children of roswell

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provide compelling evidence

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an alien

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spacecraft

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that people witnessed

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i believe this is one of the most

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compelling mysteries on planet earth

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and i continue to be fascinated by all

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nearly all the paperwork

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surrounding this event

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that the government once had in its

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was mysteriously destroyed without

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authorization to destroy documents you

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event that the government once had in

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have been destroyed or lost or cannot be

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for saying there's a government cover-up

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and that my friends i feel

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is proof enough along with all the first

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witness testimony refuting what the

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that's proof enough my friends to me

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that yes

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i believe an alien spacecraft crash

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landed i believe the government

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and then covered it up

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that the cover-up continues

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and continues

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to people like my guest tonight don

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schmidt

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who has refused to allow that cover-up

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don schmidt is

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absolutely relentless in his pursuit

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of the truth about roswell

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is something we need

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we need people like him so that the

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government cannot continue

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i've been following his research and his

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findings

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for years now

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he's one of the most respected and

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credible researchers out there

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interviewing people digging through

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documents in archives trying to find the

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truth he has

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left literally no stone unturned

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in his search for the truth and i gotta

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tell you that i have tremendous respect

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for a man who would dedicate himself so

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fully

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i have heard

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the younger

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really younger generation of ufo fans

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referred to as

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right click researchers

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you see my friends you can do an

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incredible amount of research on the

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internet

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but there is no substitute for going to

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places in person for going to archives

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of documents

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for going places and interviewing

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witnesses seeing the scenes

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the sites where these things happen

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and that is what my guest

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tonight has been doing for literally

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so my friends

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i guess without further ado let's get to

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the mystery phone where my expert guest

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is standing by

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let's get right to our list of questions

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for our expert guest

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the one of the things that fascinates me

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about

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those people that dedicate so much of

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their time and their lives to the study

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of these things is to ask them

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in your case i was interested in what

312
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got you initially interested in the

313
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whole subject and then more deeply what

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got you so

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focused on roswell

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okay what got me involved or at least

317
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intrigued in the subject was i was a

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young boy at the time of the kennedy

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assassination

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and my father was away

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for the weekend

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it happened on a friday

323
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and for those of my generation we will

324
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never forget exactly where we were what

325
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we were doing what we were thinking

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everything every moment that happened

327
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that entire weekend

328
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and after the warren

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commission

330
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was appointed and everyone was awaiting

331
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you know the

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final verdict was it a conspiracy or not

333
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and when the report

334
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finally came out

335
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the words of whitewash and cover-up

336
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were more prevalent than anything

337
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and it was a few years later i was out

338
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christmas shopping with my folks and i

339
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was

340
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always you know

341
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looking for the next book

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all the kids my

343
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age wanted toys and

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bicycles and

345
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whatever they could be entertained by

346
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and i wanted nothing of nothing but

347
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books

348
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and

349
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across this book flying saucers serious

350
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business new york times bestseller

351
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by frank edwards

352
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and on the

353
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jacket were those very same words

354
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whitewash cover-up

355
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and

356
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i saw a chapter inside entitled who's

357
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and it was about occupant cases ufo you

358
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know occupant sightings from all around

359
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the world

360
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and i was just mesmerized i just uh

361
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fell in love

362
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with the possibility of someone else out

363
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there

364
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and i couldn't get my next book fast

365
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enough which just happened to be flying

366
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saucer occupants by coral and jim

367
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lorenzo the whole book was occupant

368
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cases

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and i would sit on a pier on a lake in

370
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northern wisconsin

371
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as a little boy with just a flashlight

372
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and read some of these scary ufo

373
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encounters

374
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and i wasn't scared

375
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i i became just all the more fascinated

376
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the overall topic

377
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so then

378
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when

379
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the very book roswell incident came out

380
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in 1980 by bill moore and charles

381
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burlings

382
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i wasn't interested at all

383
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in fact a few years later i even did a a

384
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a paper

385
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where i argued the point that i could

386
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not accept i couldn't believe that

387
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something of that magnitude could be

388
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kept a secret for that many years so i

389
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just blew it off

390
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and then when i became

391
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director of special investigations

392
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for the jayla heineck center for ufo

393
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studies

394
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the first case i wanted to go after was

395
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roswell

396
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i thought we'd make a single weekend

397
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jaunt down to

398
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new mexico and prove that it was a

399
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weather balloon device as the government

400
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still maintains or or something just as

401
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prosaic

402
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and

403
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that was in february of 1989

404
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and

405
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i can

406
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proudly

407
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admit

408
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we were totally wrong

409
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:31,440
that

410
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we were

411
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captivated by the idea that

412
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not only we were wrong but we had to

413
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treat this like it was genuine like it

414
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was the real thing and it was the first

415
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10 witnesses specifically describing the

416
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wreckage

417
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and it's

418
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highly unusual characteristics the the

419
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strangeness the

420
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just the

421
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uh

422
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:01,360
the very

423
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:04,160
characteristics of the wreckage

424
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,039
that

425
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,520
made us quickly realize my god these

426
00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:09,919
people are not describing a balloon a

427
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:12,640
plane a rocket or anything else of that

428
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,240
nature they're truly describing

429
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,840
something exotic

430
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,760
something beyond the pale

431
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:20,000
and as they would say the rest is

432
00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:21,679
history

433
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:23,120
yeah i've heard you mentioned before

434
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,080
that you thought you were going to get

435
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,400
to the bottom of it very quickly

436
00:19:31,909 --> 00:19:29,360
but i guess you the deeper you dig into

437
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:31,919
this roswell thing the more layers that

438
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,840
you find isn't that right

439
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,000
precisely yeah that says we would say

440
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:38,480
peeling away the layers of an onion

441
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:39,520
and

442
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,160
it's it's not a case of where

443
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,799
you know any law enforcement officer

444
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,720
would would mention any insurance

445
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,039
investigator would say that

446
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,080
10 people witness an accident 10 people

447
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:54,080
witness a crime you have 10 different

448
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:55,520
versions

449
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:59,200
and there's a famous uh movie

450
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,360
from 1950

451
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,080
about a japanese murder trial

452
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:07,360
and it's called the rashomon effect

453
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,799
and

454
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:11,120
what it is

455
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:15,919
is basically it's a takeoff on one's iq

456
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,360
and i learned very early on that an iq

457
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:22,080
test is not necessarily an intelligence

458
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,200
test

459
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:24,400
it more

460
00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:27,919
likely tests someone's experience their

461
00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:30,320
background their environment

462
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:33,520
and all those things lend to one's very

463
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,960
perception

464
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:37,120
in witnessing

465
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:38,159
events

466
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:41,760
and as a result we are influenced not by

467
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,480
the event itself but by that background

468
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:48,400
and so

469
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,720
i find that just as the rasheman effect

470
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:55,120
in other words i could say that

471
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:57,280
you for example stephen

472
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,960
you have your

473
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,240
opinion

474
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:03,360
about roswell and then

475
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:06,960
i have my opinion about roswell

476
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,840
and then there's what really happened

477
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,679
what actually happened

478
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:14,080
so then it comes down to well who's

479
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:15,360
actually

480
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,360
to determine what really happened

481
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,360
now nothing against you personally but

482
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,240
if i were to substitute the skeptics the

483
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,000
debunkers

484
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:30,720
on your part so in other words are they

485
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,559
doing anything to actually

486
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:36,400
determine

487
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,600
reason

488
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,880
work out

489
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,400
what happened

490
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,679
or am i

491
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,600
well it's certainly the latter because

492
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:45,760
the skeptics are telling us what

493
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,559
happened they're telling us that it it's

494
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,080
just said this

495
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:52,880
it's just simply that and no need to go

496
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,120
any further so in other words they

497
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,880
dictate the terms their rash the

498
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:58,960
roshaman effect is

499
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:02,400
based strictly on a preconceived theory

500
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,200
that it can't be therefore is it we

501
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,159
aren't being visited by an intelligence

502
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,720
off the planet so therefore it can't

503
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,600
happen and in my case i'm going wherever

504
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,400
the evidence takes me i am peeling away

505
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,720
those layers of the onion and the and

506
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,799
the skeptics are saying i don't want to

507
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,760
see the onion because i'm afraid that it

508
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,559
may present something i don't want to

509
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:28,720
know i don't want to see

510
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:32,559
so who is working as far as more acutely

511
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:35,200
more as far as diligently in trying to

512
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:38,799
determine the truth and my my

513
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,679
premise is that the skeptics never do

514
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,080
anything to establish the truth they

515
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:46,240
just tell you what they want the truth

516
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,200
to be

517
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:48,880
yes it's called

518
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,240
resourced by uh research by proclamation

519
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:55,039
by proclamation precisely and and i'm

520
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,559
sorry i have no time for it and uh it's

521
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:01,360
amazing how many of our colleagues in

522
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,400
the field just out of laziness out of

523
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:05,679
investigative

524
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,640
laziness just oh that sounds good to me

525
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:10,960
so i'll accept that because i don't have

526
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:13,840
to actually do any deep thinking i don't

527
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,280
have to try to rationalize why is this

528
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:20,400
why are these facts relevant why

529
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,080
are are these uh testimonies important

530
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,000
and so they take the path of least

531
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,360
resistance

532
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:30,159
and and unfortunately that's a it's a

533
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,840
it's a vast majority of people in

534
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,360
ufology

535
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,520
they just your finger to the wind and

536
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:38,720
they just okay what do i want to believe

537
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,480
and i'm sorry

538
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:42,000
they would fail

539
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:50,159
investigators of any sort in any other

540
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:51,440
profession

541
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,880
because they are unwilling to do

542
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,760
the gumshoe work the field work of

543
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,000
actually getting up from behind their

544
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:02,000
keyboard and

545
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,279
you know

546
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,559
due diligence towards uh on

547
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:09,600
actually solving a dilemma a problem a

548
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,640
mystery

549
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:12,640
well this much i i definitely agree with

550
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:15,440
you i call them right click researchers

551
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,320
and

552
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,480
in my own study of a lot of these things

553
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,720
i have been able to find out incredible

554
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,720
things by doing nothing more than pick

555
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,080
up the phone

556
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,080
and i was always amazed why did no one

557
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,039
else find this information

558
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,880
did they just sit on the internet and

559
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,720
since it wasn't on the internet you know

560
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,400
i just picked up the phone anybody can

561
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,400
pick up a phone but it takes time and

562
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,240
energy and dedication and tracking down

563
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:41,039
leads and calling and being relentless

564
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,240
and you're right

565
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,320
i i don't see a lot of people doing that

566
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,320
anymore that's why i'm always more

567
00:24:50,549 --> 00:24:48,640
interested in the shall we say more

568
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,559
veteran researchers like yourself and

569
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,559
stan friedman and some other people that

570
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,320
i think really went out there in the

571
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:56,480
field and did so much we don't see that

572
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,279
today

573
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:59,200
and even stan

574
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,400
he uh

575
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,000
he would have admitted

576
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,480
as long as he was alive he was not an

577
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,200
investigator he was not a researcher he

578
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,960
was an archivist

579
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,840
he

580
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,200
loved

581
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,880
wading through

582
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:15,440
dreams of documents with the thought

583
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,240
that

584
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,520
someday

585
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,840
you know the breakthrough document is

586
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,600
going to jump out and we're going to

587
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,440
have our proof

588
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,840
my partner tom kerry would often you

589
00:25:29,110 --> 00:25:26,799
know

590
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,120
describe that one of the hardest things

591
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:31,760
to do and you just nailed it is actually

592
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:35,200
picking up a phone and blindly calling a

593
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,960
potential witness following up on a lead

594
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:41,039
following up as far as on some

595
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,279
information and more times than not

596
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,919
it's a dead end they don't know anything

597
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,679
or they're reluctant

598
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,360
just as many times they're gonna slam

599
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:53,360
the phone down on you they're gonna you

600
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,919
know humiliate you to the point that wow

601
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,000
i didn't need that yeah i've had that

602
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:00,799
happen to me so many times especially

603
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,120
law enforcement sources

604
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,600
precisely and as a result

605
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:07,360
as a result

606
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:09,120
it's hard work

607
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:13,440
it it has no guarantee of success and as

608
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,559
a result again people take the path to

609
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,880
least resistance you know well

610
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,720
why don't i just make up something why

611
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:23,279
don't i just claim that that's as far as

612
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,200
i could get i i didn't really you know

613
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,320
feel the need to investigate that point

614
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:33,200
or that story any further so i didn't

615
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,120
pursue it additionally and and i'm sorry

616
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:39,679
uh even today again tom and i we were

617
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,799
working on some possible witnesses we

618
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,880
were working on that we were making some

619
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,279
phone calls because

620
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,440
uh again there isn't a day that goes by

621
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,240
that we're not working on this

622
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,679
yeah i was i've always been very

623
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,960
impressed with

624
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,320
you know i've listened to some of your

625
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,840
lectures and some of your other

626
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,120
appearances and just like that

627
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,440
you strike me very similar to me in some

628
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,840
senses like you're gonna go to the mat

629
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,360
you're gonna go to the end of the earth

630
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,279
to find the answer and there's there's

631
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,880
really not many people that are willing

632
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,159
to go that far

633
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,880
i wanted to talk to you a lot of it also

634
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,200
stems from the fact that

635
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,559
my father was an army drill sergeant

636
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,799
i mean there was even a special way to

637
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,200
sneeze

638
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,360
you had a military dad too so i can

639
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:29,120
definitely understand

640
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,240
yeah

641
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:33,440
and uh my first baseball

642
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,240
trainer because i actually went my dad

643
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,399
was a big baseball coach he also coached

644
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,919
basketball

645
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:42,240
loved playing hockey

646
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,360
and so

647
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,520
i have five brothers

648
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,360
and four of us

649
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,399
have a lot of sports

650
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:53,200
drilled into us almost as a

651
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,080
almost

652
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,080
like a military discipline

653
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,399
and my first baseball trainer

654
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,880
was kenny the late kenny kronz and he

655
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:02,799
played for vince lombardi

656
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:05,919
wow so i got to meet all of those

657
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:09,840
players bart starr and boyd dollar and

658
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,279
ray nitschke and paul horning and so i

659
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:16,799
have a lot of a lot of lombardi drilled

660
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,000
into me

661
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,200
and what i often

662
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,320
will remark is i don't like to lose and

663
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,080
i don't like to lose

664
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,760
and that's one of the reasons that on

665
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,080
the sports field

666
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,799
i i play to win i don't play to have fun

667
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,600
i play to win because then winning is

668
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,240
fun losing is never fun yeah i agree

669
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:40,080
it's so the same with my work the same

670
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,080
with my research i'm relentless i i play

671
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,240
to win

672
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,840
you know one of the things that you were

673
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,679
talking about skeptics

674
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:50,720
one of the things that's always

675
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,600
impressed me about the roswell case is

676
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,679
the number of sort of death bed

677
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,039
confessions

678
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,880
because i just can't imagine that

679
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:00,960
someone at the twilight of their life

680
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:02,799
about to die will suddenly make up

681
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,159
stories about ufos and alien bodies and

682
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:07,600
stuff can you talk about some of the

683
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,120
deathbed or some of those confessions or

684
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,720
you know some of the revelations that

685
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,159
you had from the people in that

686
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:15,679
situation because i think it's very

687
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,240
compelling evidence it absolutely is and

688
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,559
in fact it's admissible evidence in a

689
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,520
court of law it is accepted as physical

690
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,559
evidence that the judicial

691
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:29,600
system the courts have long decided that

692
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:31,919
people just don't lie

693
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,720
they don't fabricate uh you know

694
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,679
anything

695
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:36,799
before

696
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:40,640
dying it's it's a time that very often

697
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,000
you bring a member of the clergy

698
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:46,399
often a priest to take that last

699
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:47,600
confession

700
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,799
that last recounting as far as uh of

701
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,559
setting the record straight

702
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:54,399
and and roswell

703
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,399
is is no less different in that we have

704
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,120
dozens of such testimony

705
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:02,799
to the families

706
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,159
to the spouses to the children where

707
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:07,840
they confess

708
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:11,440
within days within hours of passing

709
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:15,440
exactly what happened and down to a

710
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,039
individual they invariably taught not

711
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,279
only that roswell is true

712
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,240
not only were their bodies involved but

713
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:26,320
more and more they've also confessed to

714
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:29,200
the fact there was a survivor that there

715
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,039
was a living crewman on as far as part

716
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:34,880
of that crash

717
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,159
one good example would be the late

718
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,799
sergeant homer roulette he was a master

719
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:41,919
sergeant

720
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:44,720
with uh the 693rd

721
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,240
and um

722
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,200
he was on a gurney outside of an

723
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:50,880
operating room

724
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,679
just freddy just uh getting uh prepared

725
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,080
to undergo open heart surgery

726
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,039
and he waved his daughter carlene over

727
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,760
to the side of his uh

728
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,360
his gurney

729
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,440
and as she leaned down and even in his

730
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,440
weakened condition

731
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:11,679
he told her he confessed he said you

732
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,320
know how they talk about that roswell

733
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,480
incident 1947

734
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:18,960
where your dad was stationed there

735
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,000
well we confirmed that

736
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,919
he went on and described that he was

737
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,159
part of the recovery operation and then

738
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,279
he saw the ship and he saw the bodies

739
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,960
and he described the survivor to her

740
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,720
another good example would be the

741
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,720
provost marshall

742
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,440
he retired a lieutenant colonel

743
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,360
his name was edwin easley

744
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,360
he was in charge of all military

745
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,480
security on the base at that time

746
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,039
and when we first spoke to him

747
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,360
in around 1990

748
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,240
he repeatedly responded i can't talk

749
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,720
about it i'm still sworn to secrecy

750
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,559
can't talk about it no matter what we

751
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,600
ask him

752
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,760
can't talk about it still sworn to

753
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:03,200
secrecy

754
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,320
so

755
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,000
five years later

756
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:08,320
no excuse me you know it was just a

757
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,519
couple years later i'm sorry i'm

758
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:11,760
thinking of another one a couple years

759
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,559
later he was dying of a cancer of

760
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:16,399
parkland hospital

761
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:17,200
at

762
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,000
uh

763
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,080
in dallas parkland hospital in dallas

764
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,679
where you're talking about coming full

765
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,000
circle where john f kennedy was

766
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:26,000
pronounced dead

767
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,840
back in

768
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,399
1963.

769
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:29,760
and

770
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,480
in the presence of his two daughters his

771
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,159
granddaughter

772
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,080
approached his bed

773
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,960
and um held a a gift

774
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,640
a gift up to him

775
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,799
to which he responded oh

776
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,960
the creatures

777
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,200
and he went on to describe roswell maybe

778
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,399
he apologized you to his daughters that

779
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,720
you know it was the president who had

780
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,799
asked me never to say another word about

781
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:57,360
this for as long as i lived i took an

782
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,159
oath

783
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,640
and i hope you understand

784
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,799
that i could never

785
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,919
admit my involvement but it did happen

786
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,760
it was all true

787
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,279
and

788
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:11,200
indeed we were

789
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,399
visited

790
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,200
by beings from another planet

791
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,360
and i hope you understand and

792
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,440
the gift that his granddaughter

793
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,360
granddaughter had brought him held up to

794
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,480
his face eliciting that response

795
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,519
was a copy of our our second book truth

796
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,480
about ufo crash at roswell

797
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,190
that's just one of uh again those are

798
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,640
two of many melvin brown was an mp

799
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,440
posted behind an ambulance truck he was

800
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:44,080
dying in 1985

801
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:45,440
outside of

802
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,960
time

803
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:50,159
and

804
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,480
two daughters how he was posted behind

805
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,240
an ambulance truck

806
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:58,640
told to keep his eyes forward

807
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,480
and the first chance he got

808
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:01,360
he

809
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,519
and much to his shock

810
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,200
he realized that all the rumors

811
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,879
everything that he had heard back at the

812
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,960
base were absolutely correct

813
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,480
that indeed it was the crash of a

814
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,520
genuine flying saucer so

815
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:20,079
we could go on and on and on and for

816
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:20,879
the

817
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,560
talk nothing but death beds sure and

818
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:25,919
this is this is one of the things that

819
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,520
gets me when people say well there's no

820
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:29,919
evidence i said well you haven't looked

821
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:32,079
at it you know you really haven't looked

822
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:33,440
at it

823
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,159
attention i got in a bit of a debate

824
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,399
with someone just a few weeks ago again

825
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,159
and he was even dismissing the death

826
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,280
beds well you know just because they

827
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,760
they talk about this before they died

828
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,200
doesn't mean anything and i just threw

829
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,599
right back at them so uh so what you're

830
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,280
telling me is that death beds are not

831
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:55,919
reliable well no no no no they're

832
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:58,480
they're reliable that's why they're held

833
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,280
up as

834
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,680
far as in such high regard in a

835
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,320
courtroom so it only is because they

836
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,400
talk about roswell that disqualifies

837
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,160
them well i'm not saying that well no

838
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:10,000
you are saying that

839
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:11,520
so in other words if we're going to if

840
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,839
we're going to throw out roswell and if

841
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,160
roswell is going to be disqualified then

842
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,160
we're going to disqualify all deathbed

843
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,240
testimonies and that's ridiculous that's

844
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,320
nonsense because we're not doing that

845
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,880
but according to this witness this per i

846
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,280
should say this researcher it's because

847
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,280
they're about roswell so that

848
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:31,920
disqualifies them so there again is our

849
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,200
roshaman effect i will tell you what

850
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,960
to believe i will tell you what is

851
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,160
acceptable

852
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,560
and to me that's the ultimate arrogance

853
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:43,119
on their part the ultimate big brother

854
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,800
saying uh

855
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,280
you know don't don't don't look behind

856
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:49,119
you know the curtain you know listen to

857
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,839
uh

858
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,440
the voice instead

859
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,359
yeah absolutely you know one of the

860
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:55,119
other things i really wanted to ask you

861
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:55,839
is

862
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:00,720
been chasing the undertaker yes and i

863
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,280
wanted to know is there any living

864
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,599
witnesses left or have they all passed

865
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,920
now and where are you at with with

866
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:10,240
first-hand witnesses and then again the

867
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,240
other the undertaker has just about one

868
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,960
we are on the one inch uh

869
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:18,000
line

870
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,240
and uh last count we have five

871
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,560
five living first hand

872
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,040
and uh that will

873
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,680
you know certainly go to four three two

874
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:32,160
and then finally madam

875
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,880
but

876
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,000
again we have interviewed over 600

877
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,200
witnesses either directly or indirectly

878
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,640
involved to the events of 1947

879
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,800
and they paint this mosaic they paint

880
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,359
this picture and what's amazing is that

881
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,839
it doesn't matter if they're civilian it

882
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,680
doesn't matter if they're military

883
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,480
they're all reading from the same script

884
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:57,839
they're all talking about the same event

885
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,359
they all responded extraordinarily to an

886
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,760
extraordinary event

887
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,079
and the fact that both military and

888
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:09,200
civilian would be on the same page to

889
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,200
one incident in itself is amazing

890
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,240
and again it's just one more stroke in

891
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:20,160
the uh favorable column for roswell the

892
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,440
fact that

893
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,720
no matter

894
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,520
who

895
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,280
we've interviewed no matter what the

896
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,480
witness first second third hand

897
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,040
they all provide information

898
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,160
that corroborates everything else that

899
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,839
we've uh

900
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:37,119
here before

901
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,040
yeah it's like one big puzzle piece but

902
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,800
the pieces are coming together if you

903
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:42,560
look if you step back and look at the

904
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:44,000
puzzle

905
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,240
pieces conflict with one another that

906
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,520
that's what just boggles my mind that it

907
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,560
isn't

908
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,359
you know i have a a good relationship

909
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:56,240
he's

910
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,800
specializes in the manhattan project

911
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:02,800
john custer mullen

912
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:05,440
and the 509 bomb group the first atomic

913
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,960
bomb squadron and uh he's done books on

914
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,280
the atomic bomb and its entire

915
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,880
development and

916
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,119
deployment that type of thing

917
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:17,119
and and uh

918
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,480
john would often

919
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:21,200
remind me that don you know

920
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:24,560
i've had a lot of people who claimed

921
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,839
that they were on either the enola gate

922
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:29,280
or boxcar

923
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,240
the two atomic the two b-29s

924
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,880
which dropped the little boy in fat man

925
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,920
yeah in japan sure where japan nagasaki

926
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,160
hiroshima ending world war ii

927
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,839
and i would always then come back and

928
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,880
i'd say well it doesn't in any way

929
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,480
diminish

930
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,079
the fact that

931
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,640
there were two b-29 bombers there were

932
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,200
two bombs dropped on japan

933
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,760
i mean historically the

934
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:57,920
the events took place

935
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,920
just as with roswell but the difference

936
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,560
i don't have any witnesses that say no

937
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,880
you weren't on that flight i was on that

938
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,200
flight no you didn't pilot that plane i

939
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,440
pilot that plane no you weren't out at

940
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,920
the debris i was out there no you

941
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,880
weren't at the base hospital i was there

942
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:18,720
they all

943
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,800
pieced themselves into that puzzle

944
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:23,760
and

945
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:27,200
they all continued to provide you know

946
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:28,400
detail

947
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,599
of

948
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,079
that entire mosaic as you yourself

949
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,079
describe it and

950
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,800
i mean i can tell you exactly who the

951
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,920
men were

952
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,079
gathering up the wreckage i can tell you

953
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:43,599
the truck drivers who drove the wreckage

954
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,400
to

955
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,040
the base and then returned with an empty

956
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:50,240
truck i can tell you who received it at

957
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:52,560
the hangar i can tell you who were who

958
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:55,760
were guards posted at the hangar i can

959
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,960
tell you who were on the special flights

960
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:01,599
transporting the wreckage i can tell you

961
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:04,800
who drove the ambulance trucks and then

962
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,839
who transported the bodies from two

963
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,400
different locations i can tell you who

964
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,960
were posted at the bay's hospital who

965
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:15,680
are in the in the examination rooms who

966
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:19,599
were in the hallways who then were

967
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:22,640
the people who crated up

968
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,400
the bodies and then who flew them out

969
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,880
and where they went on and on and on so

970
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,480
in other words

971
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:31,599
if

972
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,160
again we had our day in court

973
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:36,960
and all these witnesses were still alive

974
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,240
we could call them up one by one from

975
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,240
the very rancher brazo who first

976
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,040
discovers the debris field and then his

977
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:47,440
neighbors who he first contacted the

978
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,319
children who were also involved the

979
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:52,400
neighbors who then went

980
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,560
you know who took the time to drove tens

981
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,079
of miles

982
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,960
cross country to go investigate this

983
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:03,599
explore this for themselves the state

984
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,800
police officers who were involved then

985
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,040
leading to roswell and the sheriff the

986
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,480
deputies the firemen the crew chiefs and

987
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,400
then contacting the roswell army

988
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,520
airfield the base commander major jesse

989
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,400
marcel the intelligence officer captain

990
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,839
sheridan cabot the head of

991
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,079
counterintelligence his uh

992
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,480
non-commissioned officer louis rickett

993
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,560
on and on and on just hundreds and

994
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,400
hundreds of people

995
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:32,560
and they do not conflict with one

996
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:36,079
another they're all describing the same

997
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:37,520
event

998
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,560
and again they're reading from the same

999
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,839
script

1000
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:43,280
and it all

1001
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:45,920
points to people who experience

1002
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:46,839
something

1003
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,119
who for the rest of their lives

1004
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,720
remembered exactly what they did where

1005
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:00,880
they were what they were thinking at the

1006
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,400
time because it was something

1007
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,359
well beyond the mundane because i can

1008
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,599
assure you stephen if this were mundane

1009
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,680
if this were just a balloon

1010
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:12,720
mogul

1011
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,400
or any other type of device of that sort

1012
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:18,240
it would have been a yawner it would

1013
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,280
have been

1014
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:21,680
here today gone tomorrow

1015
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:24,960
no no big deal nothing to see here

1016
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,000
and the exact opposite is true

1017
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,960
yeah and you know i think one of the

1018
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,640
misconceptions that many people that

1019
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,359
haven't looked into it deeply

1020
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,200
i wanted to ask you about the two

1021
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,960
different crash sites because that's

1022
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,960
something that a lot of people miss

1023
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,200
but there was there was not just one

1024
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,119
crash site there was two can you tell my

1025
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:50,309
actually there were there were four

1026
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,520
okay

1027
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,839
because uh and let's start with the very

1028
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,040
first one

1029
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,960
and it was a site that was discovered

1030
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:58,560
months later

1031
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,839
when dr lincoln lapaz the famous meteor

1032
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,800
expert

1033
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:05,680
who was part of the manhattan project

1034
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:06,560
he

1035
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,000
roswell in september two months later

1036
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,280
and his assignment was to determine the

1037
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,760
speed and trajectory

1038
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,280
of this object

1039
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:21,680
well again a balloon doesn't have speed

1040
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,200
and trajectory

1041
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,119
so that in itself

1042
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,800
cancels out any

1043
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,000
notion this was a balloon of any sort

1044
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:32,160
and the one person who was assigned to

1045
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:34,720
assist him out in the field

1046
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,760
was master sergeant louis rickett of

1047
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,240
counterintelligence court

1048
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,880
and rickett spent three weeks in the

1049
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:43,839
field

1050
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,000
with la paz even rickett's wife mack

1051
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,920
verified that

1052
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:52,160
and according to rickett

1053
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:52,960
they

1054
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,040
found a touchdown site about five miles

1055
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:00,000
north of the debris field where the

1056
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,160
ground was crystallized it was baked

1057
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,640
it turned the glass

1058
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,440
and they found more debris

1059
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,880
at that site

1060
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,040
and they also found what rickett

1061
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,400
described was a seamless

1062
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:17,520
weightless

1063
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:19,280
black box

1064
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:21,520
about the size of a bread box

1065
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,280
but it was something also located and

1066
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,400
then recovered at that site

1067
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,760
according to

1068
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,960
rickett

1069
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,640
who

1070
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,800
in discussing

1071
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,680
his final synopsis what he believed

1072
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:38,720
happened

1073
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,920
la paz in his final report that he sent

1074
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,319
to washington

1075
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,040
he surmised that

1076
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:48,839
the object

1077
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,160
developed trouble it was having

1078
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:53,680
difficulty

1079
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,440
and it touched down at that location

1080
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:58,800
and then

1081
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,640
as it attempted to lift off

1082
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,800
and after it reached a

1083
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,839
certain

1084
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:07,520
altitude

1085
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,920
either it was struck by lightning

1086
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:11,760
or it had

1087
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:12,880
a

1088
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,079
explode

1089
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,599
and it rained

1090
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:26,960
debris

1091
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,079
at the second site

1092
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,000
the debris field of a swat of wreckage

1093
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,240
of almost nine tenths of a mile long

1094
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,800
that much debris yeah and a weatherman

1095
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,560
would not make that much debris that's

1096
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:44,240
one of the points that's important

1097
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,119
whether it's

1098
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,800
not make anywhere near that amount of

1099
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,040
debris or require how many people were

1100
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,960
involved in recovering all that debris

1101
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,000
because that's another thing it would

1102
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,520
take a couple of guys to pick up a

1103
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,760
weather balloon right not not

1104
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,839
one guy one guy could have gathered up

1105
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:00,720
and tossed in the trunk of a car

1106
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,200
whereas this debris field we required 50

1107
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:07,440
to 60 troops

1108
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,480
three full days to recover

1109
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,720
and as they were instructed if it didn't

1110
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,680
move

1111
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,960
beg it

1112
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,440
they gathered up everything they swept

1113
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:21,839
and they vacuumed that site

1114
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,880
even with industrial equipment to make

1115
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,800
sure they had every last piece of

1116
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:28,960
physical evidence so

1117
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,720
it's moving in an easterly southeasterly

1118
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,000
direction

1119
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,119
the explosion it rains debris covering

1120
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:38,560
that site

1121
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,880
two bodies were recovered atop a bluff

1122
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,319
two and a half miles east southeast of

1123
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:48,720
the debris field

1124
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,880
and then another 25 miles from there

1125
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,520
still along that trajectory

1126
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:57,599
35 to 45

1127
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,760
40 miles north of roswell

1128
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,040
a pod

1129
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,560
a capsule

1130
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,280
size of a volkswagen beetle

1131
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:09,440
egg-shaped

1132
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,440
was discovered at the final impact site

1133
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:15,839
and where two additional bodies were

1134
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,960
recovered and a survivor

1135
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,359
so a touchdown

1136
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:22,880
a

1137
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,640
four

1138
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:35,760
um

1139
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,960
areas connected to one object

1140
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,720
but nonetheless

1141
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,960
four specific

1142
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,240
uh

1143
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,800
locations connected to

1144
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,280
one object one event

1145
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,839
and that in itself also would rule out

1146
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,640
any type of weather balloon device which

1147
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:57,359
hardly creates multiple sites

1148
00:48:04,870 --> 00:48:04,150
yes that's that's what's always gotten

1149
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:04,880
me

1150
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,000
about the weather balloon explanation or

1151
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,680
the mobile explanation is that this was

1152
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,760
the 509 the only

1153
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:13,680
that you know they had nuclear weapons

1154
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,200
these guys

1155
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,040
they they would know a weather balloon

1156
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,119
they seen them taking off didn't they

1157
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,640
didn't those guys see weather balloons

1158
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:23,280
taking off from that base all the time

1159
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,800
they themselves launched them sure

1160
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,040
from the base in conjunction with their

1161
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,359
bomb drop exercises

1162
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,000
on a daily basis they launched them as

1163
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,000
office twice a day

1164
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,720
even from atop the downtown bank

1165
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,119
building which was the highest uh

1166
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,160
building in in roswell at that time

1167
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,160
there's even pictures in the base

1168
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,520
yearbook of the balloons suspended from

1169
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,160
rafters in a hangar

1170
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:55,040
because they were also assembled there

1171
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:55,920
so

1172
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,160
they were not only familiar with the

1173
00:49:01,109 --> 00:49:00,319
very balloons in question

1174
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,119
but

1175
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,520
as you mentioned stephen uh you know

1176
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,880
these were

1177
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:06,880
the men who were in charge of the atomic

1178
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,760
bomb they were the elite in the military

1179
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,160
at that time they were selected to be

1180
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,240
part of the 509th

1181
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,280
bomb group because they were the best

1182
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:19,920
officers they were the best pilots

1183
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,440
crewmen doctors nurses they all had a

1184
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:26,000
top security clearance if you swept the

1185
00:49:31,349 --> 00:49:28,839
broom on that base back in july of

1186
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:31,359
1947 not only did you have a top

1187
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:33,599
security clearance but you also were the

1188
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:36,280
best sweeper in the military back in

1189
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,240
1947 and the very notion the very idea

1190
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,880
that you would not have recognized off

1191
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,720
the shelf material

1192
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:46,079
rubber

1193
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,200
foil

1194
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,640
wooden sticks

1195
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,599
string and tape material that your

1196
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,920
grandmother on her death bed would still

1197
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,520
recognize

1198
00:50:01,349 --> 00:49:58,559
and that's the disconnect and the point

1199
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,359
being that after all these years i can't

1200
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:04,960
believe how many colleagues in the field

1201
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,000
still go well the air force says it was

1202
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,480
a balloon good enough for me

1203
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,640
yeah and the other thing is the shifting

1204
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,480
explanations because i mean the first

1205
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:16,880
explanation we captured uh a flying

1206
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,440
saucer and the second explanation no it

1207
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:21,359
was just a weather balloon and then we

1208
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,200
have the third explanation with the

1209
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,680
mogul and the one that really gets me is

1210
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
the dummies that sort of they use to

1211
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,680
explain the body but didn't that happen

1212
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,280
like 10 years later they were doing

1213
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,599
those experiments with the dummies uh

1214
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,839
five years later

1215
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:37,760
yeah the anthropomorphic

1216
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,480
uh wooden crash dummies

1217
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,040
and after anthropomorphic and that they

1218
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:45,680
had uh human characteristics but

1219
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,800
nonetheless they were six feet tall

1220
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:49,599
they

1221
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,200
would be wearing jumpsuits and harnesses

1222
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,119
and a parachute because they were used

1223
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,240
in high altitude test drops uh there

1224
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,440
were two projects called uh height

1225
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,760
operation high dive and the other one

1226
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,359
excelsior

1227
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:08,800
and they didn't originate until 1952.

1228
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,760
yeah so big problem with the time frame

1229
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,520
there and they think that people just

1230
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,440
you know sort of confused the two

1231
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,319
separate events into one or

1232
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:20,160
the whole government explanation to me

1233
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,040
is crazy it is crazy what's also crazy

1234
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,960
is that people tell me well why would

1235
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,640
the government lie they wouldn't they

1236
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,200
didn't do that i mean just look up

1237
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,720
yeah

1238
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,720
how naive could we be why would the

1239
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,520
government lie oh please

1240
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:37,839
i mean the government that's what it

1241
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,280
does that's all it does because it's a

1242
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,440
case of getting re-elected

1243
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:46,400
it's being a perpetual campaign mode and

1244
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,880
anyone who has served in the military

1245
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,640
and anyone who has served in

1246
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,119
intelligence to be an intelligence

1247
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,520
officer means you're the biggest bser on

1248
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,319
the base you speak in circles you're not

1249
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,160
going to give away any secrets so all

1250
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:03,280
you do is lie all you do is give uh

1251
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:05,920
disinformation and misinformation

1252
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:09,920
i mean and i i i i laugh because again

1253
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,000
with people why would the government lie

1254
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,920
well are you that

1255
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,760
naive

1256
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,520
yeah i always bring up the gulf of

1257
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:20,079
tonkin and the iraq war if people say

1258
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:21,359
you know come on exactly it's all you

1259
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,280
have to do is look at those two examples

1260
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:24,880
and those are just two we could find a

1261
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,800
hundred more if we look

1262
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,880
you know so the notion that they

1263
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:31,599
wouldn't lie or didn't lie is crazy and

1264
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,880
i love this

1265
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,359
or the the the report roswell case

1266
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,440
closed and i i remember when i came out

1267
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,839
thinking i don't think so

1268
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,440
you know then

1269
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,920
one of the let's think of this scenario

1270
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:45,599
for a moment

1271
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:48,640
the the main author of roswell case

1272
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,240
closed which was uh and that was after

1273
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,720
the the mogul report when

1274
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:56,880
colonel richard weaver at the pentagon

1275
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,280
you know assured all of us

1276
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:02,079
that it was the final word on the

1277
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:05,440
incident that there would be no need to

1278
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,079
uh you know even address the situation

1279
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,960
address the the incident ever again well

1280
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,559
because

1281
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:15,520
we didn't uh you know stop we didn't

1282
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,720
give up

1283
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:19,520
the investigation in fact in september

1284
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,680
of 94 i'll never forget we were working

1285
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,760
with the late congressman stephen schiff

1286
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,000
of new mexico at that time

1287
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,839
and he was pushing more and more for

1288
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,240
congressional hearings on roswell

1289
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:32,160
i'll never forget after the pentagon

1290
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,599
press conference

1291
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:36,079
and i was very concerned that the good

1292
00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:38,000
congressman would then

1293
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,359
see this as a reason to bail that he

1294
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,119
would then

1295
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,480
back off

1296
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:46,640
and i will never forget

1297
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,040
speaking with him with him at his office

1298
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:50,559
in washington

1299
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,839
and his immediate response was don

1300
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,800
there are a bunch of damn liars and i

1301
00:54:02,710 --> 00:53:59,760
just need to get re-elected again and

1302
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,720
we're going to hit them twice as hard

1303
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:04,319
and i think that's what they were

1304
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,359
especially concerned about that we were

1305
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,280
relentless that we were not going to

1306
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,079
give up because we knew we had the truth

1307
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,839
we knew that roswell was something

1308
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,400
significant and we knew that they were

1309
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:18,559
stalling for time that's all they were

1310
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,119
doing you know the curious thing

1311
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,559
when um

1312
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,040
you know the whole wooden crash dummy

1313
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:26,960
explanation

1314
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,119
and addressing the fact that we had a

1315
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:31,359
growing number of witnesses to the

1316
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,720
bodies recovered in 1947.

1317
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:37,359
we immediately sent the facts to the

1318
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,720
pentagon

1319
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,280
after they came out with that brain

1320
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:43,359
child explanation

1321
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,799
in may of 1997 just before the 50th

1322
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,079
anniversary

1323
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,559
and we reminded them that

1324
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:53,760
all of our witnesses to the bodies in

1325
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,480
1997

1326
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:58,240
specifically

1327
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,160
stated that they saw the bodies in 1990

1328
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:04,799
uh 1947.

1329
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:08,720
none of them were in new mexico

1330
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:10,799
in 1952

1331
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,280
so they could not have confused

1332
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:15,839
the events they could not have confused

1333
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,280
the dates they weren't there at 52

1334
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:22,720
when project high died an excelsior

1335
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,599
originated when the wooden crash dummies

1336
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:27,839
could have been misidentified and

1337
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,640
confused for being something you know

1338
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:33,280
non-human at that time so again the

1339
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,720
truth as as stan freeman would often say

1340
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,640
don't bother me with the facts i have my

1341
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,200
mind made up yeah i love that

1342
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:43,359
that was always that still remains the

1343
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,480
case

1344
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,640
uh with roswell don't bother me with the

1345
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,160
facts

1346
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,760
well my friends i can see that we're

1347
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,319
coming up on our first hour we're almost

1348
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,640
halfway through our journey now is a

1349
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:56,880
good time for us to take a break

1350
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:01,280
i'll be right back after these messages

1351
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:02,310
fmm

1352
00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:24,309
[Music]

1353
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:26,710
you know i wanted to just take a quick

1354
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,680
uh

1355
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:30,319
detour into this annie jacobson's book

1356
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,359
because

1357
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,720
you know i read her explanation and uh i

1358
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,480
have a real problem with it because the

1359
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,559
source that she's citing i know who it

1360
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,720
is and he has totally

1361
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:42,960
yeah he has told differing stories to

1362
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:44,960
differing researchers depending on who

1363
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,480
he was talking to i'm sure he told us

1364
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,480
he told us

1365
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:52,160
that he was just trying to help her sell

1366
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:53,280
books

1367
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:54,640
yeah that's terrible

1368
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:57,520
and then on abc nightline

1369
00:57:02,470 --> 00:57:01,520
he basically admitted the same thing

1370
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:02,480
so

1371
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,599
her

1372
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,640
and

1373
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:07,520
here she is once again her paperback

1374
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:11,680
edition of area 51 is just released and

1375
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,559
she is right back to beating the same

1376
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,559
old dead horse

1377
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,200
so another example with don't bother me

1378
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,599
with the facts i'm just trying to sell

1379
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:23,280
more books

1380
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,160
and

1381
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,280
her

1382
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,640
entire

1383
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:28,880
and in the you know

1384
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,000
scenario of what took place at roswell

1385
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,559
is classic armchair

1386
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,040
keyboard investigation

1387
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,200
she's never been to roswell never been

1388
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,920
to new mexico she's never spoken to an

1389
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:43,440
actual witness

1390
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:46,960
this is just entirely fabricated from

1391
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,319
one source yeah one unreliable source

1392
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,359
who admits that he made it up and again

1393
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:55,680
it doesn't matter to her because she's

1394
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:58,960
getting all this mileage out of roswell

1395
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:01,520
so let's look let's just examine the

1396
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:04,559
facts let's just examine the details

1397
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,799
even perpetrated by her one lone source

1398
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,000
who had nothing to do with 1947

1399
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,040
albeit he was with the atomic regulatory

1400
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,680
commission and that he did spend some

1401
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,400
time working at groom lake he did work

1402
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:23,760
at bellas air force base and supposedly

1403
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:26,960
maybe spent a little time at area 51.

1404
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,160
okay fine and again what that has to do

1405
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,799
with roswell back in 47 i have not the

1406
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:34,559
faintest but

1407
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:37,760
he would claim as she still maintains

1408
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,079
that dr joseph mengele dr death

1409
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,240
of the nazi party

1410
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,559
who was experimenting or doing all this

1411
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:48,799
biological research

1412
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:52,079
and annie would claim that

1413
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,520
dr mengele was captured by the soviet

1414
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:56,880
union

1415
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:00,799
and that they used him to take 13 year

1416
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,680
old children and create

1417
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:05,440
biological

1418
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,280
remnants appearing to be alien

1419
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,200
with the

1420
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,839
hope that we're going to crash something

1421
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,920
we're going to put something down in the

1422
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,520
united states

1423
00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:18,880
and have

1424
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:19,880
the

1425
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,760
unsuspecting american government believe

1426
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,319
that we were being invaded by

1427
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,720
aliens from outer space

1428
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:30,880
the world scenario that that precisely

1429
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,480
yeah well

1430
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:34,640
dr mengele

1431
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,839
i mean i'm sorry annie

1432
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,079
he didn't he was not captured by the

1433
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:43,040
soviet union he managed like a lot of

1434
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:43,839
other

1435
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,319
escape the south america he was

1436
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:53,280
argentina i had heard argentina and that

1437
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,000
is where he lived out the rest of his

1438
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,520
life in fact the fbi only confirmed that

1439
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,400
you will find all the documentation that

1440
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,640
dr joseph mengele

1441
01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:07,440
lived out the rest of his life in

1442
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:10,480
argentina and died there

1443
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:12,319
uh i think back in

1444
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:14,559
in the 1970s

1445
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:17,839
and the okay and the other

1446
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:21,280
piece of nonsense that she would claim

1447
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,599
to support her scenario

1448
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,839
is that they also

1449
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:28,319
captured one of the horton brother

1450
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:30,319
flying wings

1451
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:31,359
well

1452
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,319
the horton brothers managed to

1453
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,680
destroy

1454
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,240
not only most of their blueprints most

1455
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,559
of their research notes most of their

1456
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:43,200
diagrams but they also managed to

1457
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,400
destroy

1458
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:46,400
all of the prototypes

1459
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:48,079
that they had

1460
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,319
back at the final

1461
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,040
stages of the war in germany before the

1462
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:55,760
fall of berlin itself

1463
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:57,440
and the only

1464
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:00,880
prototype that was even recovered was

1465
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,240
not by the russians but by the united

1466
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:07,040
states sure and that is presently on

1467
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:10,799
display at the smithsonian in washington

1468
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:12,960
and anyone who has seen it

1469
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:17,599
all it is is tubular bicycle frame

1470
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,799
it is constructed of flimsy

1471
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,599
varnished wood

1472
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:25,760
hardly air worthy

1473
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:29,359
let alone the thought that the russians

1474
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:30,480
would have

1475
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:32,319
used

1476
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:35,680
such a device a horton-flying wing would

1477
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,119
have flown it all the way from russia

1478
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,280
managed to fly it all the way to new

1479
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:42,480
mexico

1480
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,920
with a crew of 13 year old children

1481
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:47,839
mutants

1482
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,799
created to appear like

1483
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:52,400
a spaceship

1484
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,160
from another planet

1485
01:01:57,990 --> 01:01:56,400
so the other question i would pose to

1486
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,000
annie is

1487
01:02:03,750 --> 01:02:01,039
which of the 13 year olds was flying

1488
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:03,760
such a contraption yeah isn't that that

1489
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:06,000
i think that was a single cockpit or

1490
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,760
maybe two people could fit in that it

1491
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,520
was really small craft

1492
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:11,039
that's the other thing that's a problem

1493
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:13,200
with this store was it it was a single

1494
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:17,039
cockpit and again it was a prototype

1495
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,400
that

1496
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:20,799
never got off the ground

1497
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:24,720
and um i'm sorry the fact that as we

1498
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:28,720
both have described the very source

1499
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:31,359
of the story of this scenario has

1500
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:35,039
recanted has admitted that it was just

1501
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,880
totally fabricated

1502
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:38,480
what type of a

1503
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:41,599
if i were to continue if i had one

1504
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:43,680
little witness to the entire roswell

1505
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:45,280
scenario

1506
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,319
and if that witness would have recanted

1507
01:02:53,829 --> 01:02:51,119
would have retracted would have conceded

1508
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:53,839
confessed that they had made it up

1509
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,960
be the end of my story

1510
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:58,799
and i don't for the life of me i don't

1511
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,200
get it and and it's only a single

1512
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,440
appendix in her book

1513
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:06,079
but if anything it demonstrates that

1514
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:09,599
roswell still has a lot of legs left

1515
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:13,280
that you can even include a single

1516
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,640
witness so-called witness as an appendix

1517
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,720
in your book

1518
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:19,920
and

1519
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:21,839
the journalists

1520
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:25,119
the media totally focuses on once again

1521
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,799
roswell

1522
01:03:31,029 --> 01:03:28,559
sure

1523
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:31,039
yeah it's unfortunate and i i think that

1524
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:32,960
we're seeing a resurgence of a lot of

1525
01:03:37,990 --> 01:03:35,920
old hoaxes and proven fake things that

1526
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,000
are kind of coming back to the forefront

1527
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,799
and then also these opportunists that

1528
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,119
rush in because i think there's a huge

1529
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,799
need for this information like the

1530
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,480
public really wants to know about this

1531
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,240
and these people they're less than

1532
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:50,160
scrupulous less than ethical they don't

1533
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,000
care about the truth they just want to

1534
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:54,160
sell a book a dvd whatever the case may

1535
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,680
be and they rush in they talk about this

1536
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:58,000
all the time it's hunger that we have

1537
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,440
she was just on jimmy church

1538
01:04:06,069 --> 01:04:03,599
i think last week she was just on joel

1539
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,079
rogan yeah i saw that

1540
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:08,720
and again i i don't get it

1541
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,839
i i just don't get it except it's to

1542
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:14,160
sell books off of

1543
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:17,680
roswell on our coattails

1544
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:18,720
that

1545
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,599
she's the one who miraculously after all

1546
01:04:25,829 --> 01:04:23,359
these years it doesn't matter that we've

1547
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,839
been working on this for 30 years that

1548
01:04:31,150 --> 01:04:28,480
thank you annie jacobson you come up

1549
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,160
with one discredited

1550
01:04:37,029 --> 01:04:34,400
irresponsible discredited source

1551
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:37,039
and you still are willing

1552
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,160
to

1553
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:39,599
fabricate

1554
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:42,240
such a situation for no other reason

1555
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:44,880
that you can you can take credit for

1556
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,599
solving roswell well i can assure you it

1557
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:49,520
doesn't solve roswell it doesn't solve

1558
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:52,880
anything because the entire story

1559
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,400
is one giant lie

1560
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,000
yeah i don't know i remember reading

1561
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,920
this and thinking this was laughable but

1562
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:01,839
it did sell the book you know you're

1563
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,920
right it absolutely sold that book i

1564
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:05,280
don't think she would have gotten much

1565
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,319
traction

1566
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:08,079
selling that book otherwise that was the

1567
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:09,680
hook that sold the book that was the

1568
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,440
hook and it's still the hook she's still

1569
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:13,839
using it yeah and it's funny to me that

1570
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,240
she continues to persist in this even

1571
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,760
after the

1572
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,520
original source said no i just made it

1573
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:21,280
up to help her sell a book but these are

1574
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,760
the things that we see in this so-called

1575
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,359
you know

1576
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,720
field here

1577
01:05:31,349 --> 01:05:28,559
but she's not in our field that's the

1578
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:31,359
thing she's supposed to be a legitimate

1579
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:32,559
journalist

1580
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,119
it'd be one thing if it were a fellow

1581
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,680
ufologist it was someone a colleague in

1582
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,880
our field

1583
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:42,079
and

1584
01:06:05,190 --> 01:05:42,960
i

1585
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:05,200
well

1586
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,880
i for one am glad that you're here to

1587
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,720
set the record straight and if i had to

1588
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:11,119
choose between who is more credible and

1589
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,640
more knowledgeable about the case of

1590
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:14,799
course i would choose you because of you

1591
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:16,000
know like you were talking about before

1592
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,680
you've been working on this for so long

1593
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:20,160
and talked to more witnesses than anyone

1594
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,440
one of the things i wanted to talk to

1595
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,440
you about is your book on wright

1596
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:25,039
patterson because

1597
01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:27,039
you know we have this storm area 51

1598
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:28,720
thing that i think is kind of laughable

1599
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,319
now because

1600
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,240
i don't think there's any secrets about

1601
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:34,960
alien technology at area 51 more likely

1602
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,000
they went

1603
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,640
and continue i suppose to go to wright

1604
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,720
patterson can you tell us about your

1605
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:42,960
book because in that book you mentioned

1606
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:46,799
you called it the real area 51. and and

1607
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:49,359
that is where most people i believe

1608
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,640
including yourself believe that the

1609
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:52,799
roswell wreckage and any other alien

1610
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:56,000
technology goes isn't that right well

1611
01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:59,039
let's even just go back to the original

1612
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:00,720
incident

1613
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,920
and the fact that no matter what one

1614
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,760
chooses to believe

1615
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,680
according to

1616
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:09,280
the press accounts

1617
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,200
according to all the official

1618
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,680
announcements according to even the

1619
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,039
pentagon

1620
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:17,359
the wreckage from roswell

1621
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,359
went to right field

1622
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:22,319
which would become wright-patterson

1623
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:23,200
and

1624
01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:27,039
i mean that's a matter of historic fact

1625
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:30,799
and the unique thing about right field

1626
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:32,559
wright patterson

1627
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:37,359
is that back in july of 1947 you had two

1628
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:39,119
specific

1629
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:40,000
um

1630
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:44,400
branches of operation what was called t2

1631
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:47,200
which was intelligence and the other was

1632
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,119
t3 which was engineering

1633
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:53,520
and so

1634
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:56,079
what they both specialized in and

1635
01:08:03,829 --> 01:07:59,119
specifically t2

1636
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,839
was the recovery of enemy hardware

1637
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:05,280
in other words

1638
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:08,640
if it was german post world war ii

1639
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:11,920
or russian or japanese if we got our

1640
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,520
hands on it we got our hands on a

1641
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,520
russian mig

1642
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,920
went to wright-patterson air force base

1643
01:08:23,430 --> 01:08:20,640
because that's where they did the the

1644
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,440
technicians who

1645
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,239
in propulsion and aerodynamics and you

1646
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:28,880
know new material development

1647
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,679
they

1648
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:31,279
want to see

1649
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,159
if they had anything on us if there was

1650
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,480
anything that we needed that we could

1651
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:39,440
utilize to further our own technology in

1652
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,400
other words

1653
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:42,799
let's find the odd buttons and and see

1654
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:44,719
we can you know use them to our own

1655
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,080
advantage

1656
01:08:49,990 --> 01:08:48,080
so here you have this crash of this

1657
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:50,000
craft of unknown origin

1658
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:53,839
outside of roswell in july of 1947

1659
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:56,400
and even after the balloon explanation

1660
01:09:04,149 --> 01:08:59,359
stephen it's still a matter of historic

1661
01:09:07,510 --> 01:09:04,159
fact there is that that famous fbi telex

1662
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:07,520
that went out on the evening of july 8th

1663
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:11,920
tuesday july 8th at 6 17

1664
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,520
central standard time 6 17 p.m central

1665
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:16,799
standard time

1666
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:20,400
refuting the balloon explanation

1667
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,159
and seeing that

1668
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:23,679
we don't care

1669
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:26,719
what general roger raimi has just said

1670
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,440
about explaining this all away as just a

1671
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:31,279
weather balloon device

1672
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,560
it is still going on to right field for

1673
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:36,480
testing and analysis

1674
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:39,040
and it is not a balloon as we have been

1675
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:43,199
discussing the details with right field

1676
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,359
well who are they talking to they're

1677
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:47,600
talking to the people who are getting

1678
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:52,400
ready at t2 to test exactly what this

1679
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,920
material is this wreckage is what this

1680
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:57,520
this talk of

1681
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,800
a crash of a flying saucer is all about

1682
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:02,880
so

1683
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:05,760
there are then witnesses as we describe

1684
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:08,719
in the book on the receiving end the

1685
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,480
people who were at t2 the late general

1686
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,800
arthur exxon who would go on to be a

1687
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,480
base commander

1688
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,040
at right path in

1689
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,800
1964.

1690
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,159
he was there

1691
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:25,120
he was aware of the wreckage coming in

1692
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,640
and all of the testing all the tensor

1693
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,280
strength all the testing at the

1694
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:34,640
molecular level trying to determine

1695
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,440
what

1696
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,480
these special alloys involved and how

1697
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:40,400
they were combined

1698
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:41,360
and

1699
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:43,360
then the

1700
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,800
the compression test on the wreckage for

1701
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,080
example

1702
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:50,800
and according to exxon that there was a

1703
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,159
unanimous consensus on the base

1704
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,640
that after they first thought the

1705
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,199
materials had to be russian because they

1706
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,120
didn't recognize it it was nothing that

1707
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,520
they had ever seen before but that after

1708
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,600
all the testing that the

1709
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:08,400
the uh consensus was unanimous that the

1710
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:11,760
materials were from space they were not

1711
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:14,239
from this planet

1712
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,280
and then as we named throughout the book

1713
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,080
more and more of the witnesses who were

1714
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,040
involved not only with the wreckage but

1715
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:25,760
the recovery of the craft and then the

1716
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,480
bodies and then the autopsies at the

1717
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,600
base

1718
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:31,120
so all roads

1719
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:34,000
leading to wright patterson

1720
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,880
and then subsequently additional crashes

1721
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,239
if we are to believe and i accept

1722
01:11:42,229 --> 01:11:40,800
roswell i have to accept the possibility

1723
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,239
that there were other

1724
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,440
events of this nature other crashes and

1725
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:47,760
that they too also went

1726
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:50,719
to wright-patterson in dayton ohio the

1727
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,189
fact that one cannot deny is there was

1728
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,120
no area 51

1729
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,760
in 1947 sure yeah

1730
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:02,880
right

1731
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:06,000
area 51 did not come into existence

1732
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:07,040
until

1733
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:12,950
so eight years later

1734
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:15,840
and then it was just a landing field

1735
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,360
it was where they slowly then became

1736
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:21,600
more more of a test site and they

1737
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,560
started to get into more and more

1738
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:27,120
testing and engineering and special

1739
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,480
research

1740
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:31,920
and we've had numerous high-ranking

1741
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:34,480
officials at wrightpat

1742
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,640
who have you know told us off the record

1743
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:41,520
that it became more and more difficult

1744
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:44,239
now just imagine

1745
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:45,199
the

1746
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:55,520
dried up lake basin groom lake

1747
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,480
and it's

1748
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,440
it's it's shrouded by mountains

1749
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:01,199
and open desert

1750
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:04,719
it's just a perfect test site whereas

1751
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:08,320
right path is in the middle of a city

1752
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:12,000
so as one of the the colonel said to us

1753
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:15,199
they were having a damnable time

1754
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:17,760
bringing things in and shipping things

1755
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:18,719
out

1756
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,239
of right path

1757
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,719
because of that very fact there would be

1758
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,719
more eyes right there'd be more eyes on

1759
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,480
the on the base

1760
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,960
exactly and he said that

1761
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,080
it was his information that just about

1762
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,320
everything was shipped out

1763
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,159
by the early 80s

1764
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:38,400
that as things came in

1765
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,600
late 40s and through the 50s and even in

1766
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:43,040
the 60s

1767
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,520
that little by little things were being

1768
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:46,880
shipped out

1769
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,239
so then

1770
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,400
we started hearing more and more not

1771
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,719
about area 51

1772
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,520
but

1773
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,440
area 52

1774
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:57,360
and specifically

1775
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:00,080
during the mid-1990s

1776
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:04,880
when there was this class action suit

1777
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,600
of a lot of former workers

1778
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:10,239
employees this class action suit

1779
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:11,280
of

1780
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,719
people who were assigned to area 51

1781
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:17,040
that it became more and more of a toxic

1782
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,080
dump site that everything was going in

1783
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,320
and nothing was coming out and there

1784
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:24,640
were descriptions of how they would pour

1785
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,480
aviation fuel

1786
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:28,880
all over a a

1787
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,280
discarded area

1788
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:33,520
and they would light it on fire

1789
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:37,840
destroying you know all of this material

1790
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:40,480
you know giving off all these plumes of

1791
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,840
you know the toxic fumes to the exposed

1792
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:46,159
personnel on the base

1793
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,080
so there are people who were getting

1794
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:50,960
sick there were even some deaths

1795
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:53,600
associated with the possibility that

1796
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:57,199
these people had been exposed but

1797
01:15:04,630 --> 01:15:01,360
as roswell even the the judges

1798
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:04,640
who basically threw it all out because

1799
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,960
what what the ruling was that secrecy is

1800
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:10,480
more important

1801
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:11,280
than

1802
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:14,320
civil rights secrecy is more important

1803
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,679
than the very health and well-being of

1804
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,000
people who are involved

1805
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,080
and so

1806
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,560
it was during that time though

1807
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:26,400
that we were paying more and more

1808
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,400
attention to area 52

1809
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,120
which is in utah

1810
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:36,239
and this was an area that originated

1811
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,440
as a result of all the attempted rocket

1812
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:40,800
launches

1813
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,360
from white sands proving ground north of

1814
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,440
holloman air force base in alamogordo

1815
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:48,080
new mexico whenever they were launching

1816
01:16:36,390 --> 01:15:49,040
a

1817
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:36,400
in

1818
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,600
not only do we have first-hand witnesses

1819
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:44,960
at dugway

1820
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:47,679
not only do we have high high-ranking

1821
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:50,320
officers who have made that very

1822
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:52,480
statement that there are bodies at

1823
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,000
dugway but when i even asked

1824
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,800
the late colonel robert friend

1825
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:00,960
who was the second last director of

1826
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:02,560
project blue book

1827
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,520
and and friend just passed away

1828
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:08,239
a couple months ago yeah i heard that

1829
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:11,600
and last time i had dinner with him

1830
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:14,239
in los angeles and i asked him

1831
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:17,600
because uh no matter what i asked

1832
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,880
colonel friend he just was a you know a

1833
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:23,199
true patriot he just wouldn't admit

1834
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,719
anything just deny deny deny deny

1835
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,080
but i asked him i just said well

1836
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:29,440
hypothetically

1837
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,440
if you had bodies if you had bodies

1838
01:17:37,030 --> 01:17:35,679
you had unique specimens they weren't

1839
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:37,040
from here

1840
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:38,560
where would you preserve them where

1841
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:40,159
would you have them today

1842
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:44,960
and he immediately responded well dugway

1843
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,000
utah

1844
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:47,679
yeah biological medical research

1845
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,239
facility because they would have them

1846
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:53,199
where with all the means and as he put

1847
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:54,080
it

1848
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,320
well you know

1849
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:01,840
one of the other things that i wanted to

1850
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,600
ask you about it's kind of the elephant

1851
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:04,800
in the room because you've gotten a lot

1852
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,040
of grief about it but i totally agree

1853
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:09,040
with the things i've heard you say

1854
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,719
previously about it but i still for the

1855
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:12,560
benefit of my listeners wanted to ask

1856
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,280
you

1857
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,679
about these roswell slide the the

1858
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,440
roswell flat hoax

1859
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,960
because i think you've

1860
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:21,679
really been you got a lot of grief about

1861
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:23,920
it and your assessment that you had

1862
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:25,920
experts you believe you know you talk to

1863
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,640
the experts they said this you know

1864
01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:30,400
and a lot of people uh

1865
01:18:34,470 --> 01:18:32,719
i i think have given you too much grief

1866
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,480
over this can you talk about the roswell

1867
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:36,640
slides and what happened with them and

1868
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:39,920
you know absolutely absolutely

1869
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:42,080
one of the unique

1870
01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:43,360
advantages

1871
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:46,480
with working on a case like roswell

1872
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,920
just about every other ufo incident

1873
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:51,920
is is very fleeting

1874
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:53,760
now you see it now you don't

1875
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,320
dr heineck my site my late scientific

1876
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:58,719
director used to refer to it as the the

1877
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:01,040
cheshire cat effect

1878
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:03,040
all you have left is the smile so to

1879
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:03,920
speak

1880
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:04,719
well

1881
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:09,040
with uh with with 99.99

1882
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,760
percent of ufo incidents all you have is

1883
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,520
the eyewitness

1884
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:15,360
you might have an occasion a photograph

1885
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:18,159
or some video and uh you know

1886
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,120
very few of them pass the scrutiny of

1887
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:23,840
the experts so that's it's a great

1888
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:27,040
example of where experts generally are

1889
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,159
correct in determining whether a

1890
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,800
photograph is legitimate or not

1891
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,480
well with roswell

1892
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:36,960
we have physical remains

1893
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:38,560
you have wreckage

1894
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:40,000
you have

1895
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:43,199
a survivor

1896
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:45,040
you have hundreds of eyewitness

1897
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,199
testimonies you have documents you have

1898
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:49,440
photographs you have film

1899
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:52,640
and you have deathbed testimonies i i

1900
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,440
would

1901
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,760
ask you to even ask your audience give

1902
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:58,080
me an example of any other ufo case that

1903
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,350
roswell's it roswell's about it and and

1904
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:08,080
the fact that we have dozens okay so

1905
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:11,520
with all that in the mix

1906
01:20:17,430 --> 01:20:14,320
i can assure you we have had a lot of

1907
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:17,440
roswell slide situations we have a lot

1908
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,159
we've had so many false flags in that

1909
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:22,000
we've had

1910
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:23,600
no matter what one believes about the

1911
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,719
mj-12 documents for example i personally

1912
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,880
believe that it they are

1913
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:30,880
totally fabricated they are

1914
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,480
disinformation intended to discredit the

1915
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,480
very people who

1916
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:38,800
were became involved with them okay fine

1917
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:41,360
but so there's a case of documents we've

1918
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,159
had other uh cases of other documents

1919
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,440
we've had photographs we've had film

1920
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:49,679
uh stephen i can't tell you how often we

1921
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,719
have had fake material wreckage yeah

1922
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:54,719
there's an airline autopsy hoax as well

1923
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,880
that's the alien autopsy making rounds

1924
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,320
again now he's saying that was a

1925
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,239
recreation i still have the original

1926
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,159
that's all it's going to come back

1927
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,639
so there we go again it comes back i

1928
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:06,239
hope this doesn't mean that the slides

1929
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,480
are going to come back god help us but

1930
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,960
the point being that we have to

1931
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:13,199
investigate we have to perform due

1932
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:14,560
diligence

1933
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,040
with all of this with the chance the

1934
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,199
possibility that all it's going to take

1935
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,960
is just one time

1936
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:21,920
that

1937
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:29,199
to be

1938
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,480
exotic

1939
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:33,440
sure something as far as uh

1940
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,400
beyond as far as earthly comprehension

1941
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:38,400
that we're going to have you know

1942
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,600
something that

1943
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,600
finally is going to prove the very

1944
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:43,840
existence that we are not alone

1945
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:44,800
so

1946
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:48,719
we have that possibility with the slides

1947
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:52,639
now i need to emphasize we we were never

1948
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:55,199
allowed to take the slides in our

1949
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,560
possession

1950
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,800
to have them tested on our own to have

1951
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,000
them

1952
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:02,880
investigated researched we were only

1953
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,960
provided scams

1954
01:22:10,350 --> 01:22:06,719
from the owners

1955
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,360
and we were originally asked to sign

1956
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,480
non-disclosure agreements with the

1957
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,960
owners that we could not discuss them we

1958
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:16,800
could not

1959
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:19,600
provide any details any information to

1960
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,199
anyone any of our colleagues before the

1961
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,239
owners the possessors of the slides were

1962
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,320
willing to go public okay

1963
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:31,360
so all of that as a background

1964
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:33,679
we then

1965
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:37,360
relied on as many anthropologists who we

1966
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:39,360
could contact

1967
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,920
and one by one they were describing to

1968
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:43,679
us why

1969
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:44,800
the body

1970
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:47,280
in the slide was not human

1971
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:49,360
that it didn't have the correct number

1972
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,320
of ribs that it didn't have rotator

1973
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,800
cuffs in the shoulders that the carpal

1974
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:56,800
bones in the wrists

1975
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:59,440
were different than human beings there

1976
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,159
were that the joints were different

1977
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,800
that the the size

1978
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:07,679
uh in com relationship to the cranium

1979
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:10,719
the skull was disproportionate to any

1980
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,840
human being no no no not okay so we were

1981
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:15,840
relying heavily

1982
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:18,800
on again the scientists

1983
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,960
to tell us why this was either one thing

1984
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:24,080
or another

1985
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:25,679
so then

1986
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,840
obviously we were very concerned about

1987
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:29,760
the placard

1988
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:35,120
you know is decipherable it's readable

1989
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,320
or it's not but if it is it's going to

1990
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,280
tell us exactly what this body is what

1991
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:42,719
we're dealing with

1992
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,480
well we were provided with scans

1993
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:49,199
of the placard and low resolution scans

1994
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,480
i should add

1995
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,440
very well resolution very low resolution

1996
01:23:56,229 --> 01:23:54,639
and

1997
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,239
they were stretched

1998
01:24:01,510 --> 01:23:58,480
which we were not aware of

1999
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:01,520
in fact it gave in the immediate

2000
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,719
impression

2001
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:05,199
that it was script

2002
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:07,120
handwriting it was hand they were

2003
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:08,400
handwritten

2004
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:09,520
okay

2005
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,320
so

2006
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,199
there again we relied on the experts dr

2007
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:15,600
david rudiak who has spent

2008
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,480
more time on the rainy memo that telex

2009
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:20,639
that general raymie is holding at the

2010
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,920
balloon press conference rudiak has you

2011
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:26,080
know spent

2012
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:27,280
you know

2013
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:30,400
20 years working on the raimi memo okay

2014
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,199
so we he was our go-to person regarding

2015
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:35,760
the placard we also went to dr donald

2016
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,120
burleson who also has spent years

2017
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:41,840
working on the ramy memo we also went to

2018
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:44,560
studio macbeth which did all the 3d

2019
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:46,960
imagery on the shroud of turban

2020
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,920
we went to the pentagon and we went to a

2021
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,000
specific colonel there who we have

2022
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:54,719
worked with in the past and he had some

2023
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,950
imagery and as far as

2024
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,830
some of the flight control imagery where

2025
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:09,840
they relied as far as on computer

2026
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:12,880
enhancement imagery and so we were

2027
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:15,679
looking again for their opinion as far

2028
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,560
as on the placard uh we worked as far as

2029
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:20,800
even overseas with the suburbs of

2030
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,120
sources we had worked with that so the

2031
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,600
point being stephen nobody was able to

2032
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:27,760
read the placard didn't matter who

2033
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:31,440
because the consensus was this is script

2034
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,400
it's hand written there's just no way

2035
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:37,120
that you're going to be able to decipher

2036
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:38,000
hand

2037
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,239
writing unless you know exactly who the

2038
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,480
handwriting the handwriter was and if

2039
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,719
you had more examples from that very

2040
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:46,080
person okay

2041
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,360
so

2042
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:49,840
again we accepted the position the

2043
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:52,719
unanimous position of all the scientists

2044
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,440
all the experts that we had called on

2045
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:56,719
well

2046
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,679
mexico city and then we find out

2047
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,320
well you guys weren't shown or you were

2048
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:04,480
provided all the slides there was a

2049
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,760
third slide

2050
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,560
and it shows a museum setting a museum

2051
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,480
background

2052
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:13,120
and then you weren't shown the actual

2053
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:14,480
placard

2054
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,480
text

2055
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,120
it's easily red

2056
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,960
so we were

2057
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:24,080
lied to

2058
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,760
we were scammed from the beginning

2059
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,320
and the people who owned the slides

2060
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:32,000
received a

2061
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,560
big a high amount of money

2062
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,360
and it was never recovered

2063
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:41,760
so then that makes us

2064
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,280
also question if the very people who

2065
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:48,639
staged who put on the entire affair in

2066
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,239
mexico city were also in on it

2067
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,480
yeah absolutely and honestly when i

2068
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,560
heard who was running that i had i had a

2069
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,719
lot of skepticism right away

2070
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,960
he uh and not mentioning his name

2071
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,560
because it's not going to come back to

2072
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,320
me that don why did you say that well

2073
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,600
the point being okay then why did you

2074
01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:10,320
not go after the owners of the slides

2075
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:13,280
and recover your losses your money i

2076
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:16,080
mean you paid them tens of thousands of

2077
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,360
dollars and after the fact you said well

2078
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:22,400
i guess i just chuck it up to a law well

2079
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:23,600
no no

2080
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,639
if you

2081
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:26,960
were just as much a victim as we were

2082
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:29,360
then why didn't you sue them why didn't

2083
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:32,560
you go after them so then we realized

2084
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:35,040
that they were all in on it they were

2085
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:36,480
all in on it

2086
01:27:44,229 --> 01:27:41,990
the whole event was pretty unfortunate

2087
01:27:46,149 --> 01:27:44,239
and it comes down to like a pay-per-view

2088
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:46,159
event where they made a lot of money

2089
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:47,280
everybody

2090
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,080
you know

2091
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:49,840
these these people that were running the

2092
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,400
con made a great deal of money it's very

2093
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,120
evident about that it's unfortunate but

2094
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:57,280
that they made money awesome

2095
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:58,719
they made a lot more money off of the

2096
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,639
live stream we did not make a dime

2097
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:04,719
i was owed money

2098
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:07,760
from a previous

2099
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:09,520
documentary

2100
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:12,320
and a lecture i had lectured in mexico

2101
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:13,520
city

2102
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,360
and it was under the agreement that i

2103
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,159
would be paid a specific honorarium

2104
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,320
i was not paid

2105
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:23,280
so i was paid in mexico city so i

2106
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:25,520
recovered that portion of it this

2107
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:30,320
documentary i mentioned they had agreed

2108
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:31,199
that

2109
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:34,960
if they could film an archaeological dig

2110
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,440
it was the fourth one we had at the

2111
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:39,120
debris field site

2112
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:43,280
and because we funded it on our own

2113
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:46,480
the same person agreed that he would pay

2114
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:50,080
a portion of that project provided we

2115
01:28:55,110 --> 01:28:52,000
would allow them

2116
01:28:58,950 --> 01:28:55,120
an exclusive filming of the event which

2117
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:58,960
i did and so i was also that was part i

2118
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:01,679
was all the other part of the the pay

2119
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,800
that i was provided for mexico city so i

2120
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:06,080
broke even

2121
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,800
i got my money that i was owed

2122
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,040
and the point is they made a lot of

2123
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:15,760
money off of the event for putting on

2124
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,400
this carnival for putting on this circus

2125
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:20,960
and perpetrating this hoax and ladies

2126
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:23,520
and gentlemen i put out a public apology

2127
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,960
it was a hoax

2128
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:26,880
we did we performed due diligence

2129
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:29,760
because we relied on the scientists who

2130
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:30,560
were

2131
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,480
or victims i should say of the same hoax

2132
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,480
yeah it's unfortunate and i honestly i

2133
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:43,920
think you got a really bad rap

2134
01:29:47,110 --> 01:29:45,440
considering all the incredible work that

2135
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:47,120
you did and the fact that you're relying

2136
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:48,960
on these experts that are saying hey

2137
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:51,920
looks looks genuine or you know when i

2138
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:52,880
survived

2139
01:30:01,830 --> 01:30:00,159
put on a public apology and uh i i i

2140
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:01,840
think i'm better for it

2141
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:03,840
in that i'm more wary

2142
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:08,159
i'm i realize that science is not the

2143
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:09,520
last word

2144
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:12,400
that i i'm much more skeptical of the

2145
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,360
scientific community i think that's good

2146
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:17,520
because i think there's a long track

2147
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:21,360
record of scientists who have fallen

2148
01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,159
for

2149
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,239
uh such um

2150
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:26,639
efforts throughout history

2151
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:29,040
and did not survive they did not recover

2152
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:32,880
from it and i have i have i uh you know

2153
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:35,840
our roswell work has continued

2154
01:30:42,229 --> 01:30:39,920
unabated and it's mainly because okay

2155
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:42,239
you got us on that one but it's not

2156
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,840
going to disqualify

2157
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:46,320
all the witnesses all the death beds all

2158
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:47,199
the

2159
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:48,400
additional

2160
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:50,880
research we have uh legitimately

2161
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:53,120
conducted on on the subject

2162
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,360
and um

2163
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:56,960
you know

2164
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,719
i'm a survivor i'm a survivor and um and

2165
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:02,960
you always win

2166
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:04,800
well and i don't like to lose yeah i

2167
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,800
think i think like i said when i saw

2168
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,639
this whole thing happen i i listened to

2169
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:11,360
a couple of uh you know i was following

2170
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:12,800
it really closely and i listened to a

2171
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,080
couple of things that you said and i

2172
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,000
said well why is he to be in rap because

2173
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:18,320
it he just it's not deserved it's really

2174
01:31:22,310 --> 01:31:20,639
not deserved so look

2175
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:22,320
you're very kind stephen yeah i'm sorry

2176
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,000
that you i'm sorry that you went through

2177
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,480
that because oh that's it's really not

2178
01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:28,080
fair it's really not fair there's so

2179
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,920
many people out there that are pushing

2180
01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:31,120
hoaxes

2181
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:31,840
and

2182
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:34,080
boy i could talk to you in so much

2183
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:35,760
length about some stuff

2184
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:37,760
and they know it's a hoax well you

2185
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:39,760
mentioned they're told it's a hoax

2186
01:31:43,830 --> 01:31:41,520
that's proven it's a hoax they're still

2187
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,840
out there selling it you you got you got

2188
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:45,840
kind of caught up in this thing a lot of

2189
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:48,080
people did including richard dolan a few

2190
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:48,960
others

2191
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,480
very credible people and and i was very

2192
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,880
respectful that you had the you know

2193
01:31:59,669 --> 01:31:57,199
that you said hey here's what happened

2194
01:32:01,910 --> 01:31:59,679
this is my explanation i apologize and

2195
01:32:03,669 --> 01:32:01,920
let's move on and i think that's great

2196
01:32:06,070 --> 01:32:03,679
that you could do that and that's that's

2197
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:06,080
the way it should be

2198
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:07,840
just a few other comments

2199
01:32:11,750 --> 01:32:10,560
no one is ever going to find anywhere in

2200
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:11,760
print

2201
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:14,000
or on tape

2202
01:32:19,189 --> 01:32:14,960
that

2203
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:19,199
roswell

2204
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:21,600
no one is going to find anywhere that i

2205
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:23,360
made the claim that this was an alien

2206
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:27,040
body no one is going to find anywhere

2207
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:29,679
that i ever said that this was a smoking

2208
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:30,719
gun

2209
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:33,920
i kept i continually used the word if it

2210
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:36,639
could be proven if it could be

2211
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:38,560
established if

2212
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:42,239
the entire providence of the slides

2213
01:32:48,229 --> 01:32:45,600
could be finally determined then and

2214
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:48,239
only then would i be willing to accept

2215
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:51,199
that this was something extraordinary

2216
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:52,560
i was very

2217
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:55,840
cautious throughout in fact my partner

2218
01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:58,560
tom kerry could describe

2219
01:33:04,550 --> 01:33:01,600
in detail how in january before the may

2220
01:33:06,870 --> 01:33:04,560
event in mexico city i seriously talked

2221
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:06,880
to him about bailing i was having more

2222
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:08,480
and more doubts

2223
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,440
because i felt we were not

2224
01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:14,159
being provided with accurate information

2225
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:16,639
by the owners of the slides

2226
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:19,440
and so uh he could also tell you that at

2227
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:22,480
the very event itself if you were to go

2228
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:23,280
back

2229
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:26,639
and actually watch the presentation

2230
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:29,199
of tom kerry and myself

2231
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:31,360
he says almost i mean he puts on almost

2232
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:33,520
the entire presentation

2233
01:33:37,750 --> 01:33:35,360
i say very little

2234
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,760
because i'm standing there sick to my

2235
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:39,360
stomach

2236
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:41,840
and then the next day in jaime messiah

2237
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:43,520
and i'll put it this way i was in his

2238
01:33:47,669 --> 01:33:46,639
office the very next day and i demanded

2239
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:47,679
to see

2240
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:49,600
the third slide that we have never been

2241
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:51,040
shown before

2242
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:52,800
and he immediately asked

2243
01:33:56,870 --> 01:33:55,520
why do you need to see it

2244
01:33:59,830 --> 01:33:56,880
and i said

2245
01:34:02,229 --> 01:33:59,840
just show it to me

2246
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:02,239
and i knew right there and then it was

2247
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:05,280
it was over it was done we had

2248
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:08,400
we had been lied to

2249
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:09,920
yeah it's awful that that happened but

2250
01:34:13,990 --> 01:34:11,760
i'm glad that you're moving forward and

2251
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:14,000
continuing with great research and great

2252
01:34:19,189 --> 01:34:14,800
work

2253
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:19,199
this every day can you tell us can you

2254
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:20,639
tell me what is it that you've been

2255
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,400
working on lately because i don't think

2256
01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:24,000
that i've heard you talk about what's

2257
01:34:27,830 --> 01:34:25,760
been going on lately with you and what

2258
01:34:29,830 --> 01:34:27,840
is what is keeping you going and what

2259
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:29,840
are you working on

2260
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:30,840
there are

2261
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:33,760
still high

2262
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,239
hopes that

2263
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:38,000
there's a piece of physical evidence out

2264
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:39,120
there

2265
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:41,360
and i'm not talking about within

2266
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:44,080
government possession

2267
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:47,280
whether it be corporate or

2268
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:48,719
privately

2269
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:51,280
that there is still a piece of that holy

2270
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:52,560
grail

2271
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,440
that would again prove this overnight

2272
01:35:00,550 --> 01:34:58,080
so we are constantly working on

2273
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,560
different leads within different

2274
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:04,000
families who are originally involved and

2275
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:07,360
we can't we we just keep you know

2276
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:10,880
staying in contact we keep trying to you

2277
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:13,520
know stir the pot every so often just to

2278
01:35:18,550 --> 01:35:15,280
get reactions

2279
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:18,560
and see if we are correct

2280
01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:19,440
in

2281
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:28,719
operation paperclip

2282
01:35:34,149 --> 01:35:31,679
involved all the the german scientists

2283
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:34,159
that were brought over to the united

2284
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:35,280
states

2285
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,520
after world war ii

2286
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:40,159
and we're finding more and more

2287
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:44,159
of these specific individuals who were

2288
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,080
brought in the roswell

2289
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:47,920
to look at the

2290
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:51,040
evidence to examine the wreckage

2291
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,000
we

2292
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,159
recount some of that in the current book

2293
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:56,400
on right path and even since the book

2294
01:36:02,310 --> 01:35:58,960
has come out we're finding additional

2295
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:02,320
family testimony who received deathbed

2296
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:05,119
confirmation that yes

2297
01:36:12,070 --> 01:36:08,480
their fathers their grandfathers

2298
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:12,080
conceded before passing that they were

2299
01:36:16,470 --> 01:36:14,800
brought over to roswell to examine the

2300
01:36:19,109 --> 01:36:16,480
wreckage

2301
01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:19,119
so we're we're finding a whole new angle

2302
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:22,159
of involvement that they risk bringing

2303
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:23,040
in

2304
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:26,800
the nazi scientists to also take a look

2305
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:30,320
at this wreckage at roswell in 1947 when

2306
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:31,760
nobody was supposed to know they were

2307
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:32,960
even here

2308
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,639
that was just you know the one of the

2309
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:36,960
ultimate secrets of all time the fact

2310
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:40,159
that we took all those nazi german

2311
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:41,600
scientists

2312
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:44,239
and we brought them here i was i always

2313
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,600
found this paper clip thing to be

2314
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,360
extremely interesting especially because

2315
01:36:51,750 --> 01:36:48,880
they formed the backbone of what would

2316
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,760
become nasa later first i

2317
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:53,520
and we said you're going to work for us

2318
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:54,320
now

2319
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:56,639
exactly

2320
01:37:01,350 --> 01:36:59,040
past and forget about you being a nazi

2321
01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,360
we'll give you a new name in some cases

2322
01:37:07,270 --> 01:37:03,520
they did that and it was it's incredible

2323
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,280
absolutely and now that we can also make

2324
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:10,080
a roswell connection the paperclip and

2325
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,320
it is again it isn't just speculation on

2326
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:15,440
our part it's firsthand it's secondhand

2327
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:17,040
it's from the very families who were

2328
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,440
involved and so we're we're honing that

2329
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,920
more and more as we continue to track

2330
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,760
down more and more of those surviving

2331
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:26,800
families

2332
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,920
and

2333
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:30,000
we still continue we still are in

2334
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,400
contact with the very families

2335
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,560
who were involved the reluctant

2336
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:37,040
witnesses with the hope that

2337
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:40,400
the the surviving spouses or the the

2338
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,960
children the sons and daughters will

2339
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:43,920
finally

2340
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:52,080
and so

2341
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:55,520
we keep again a short list and then us a

2342
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:58,239
secondary list as we keep we continue to

2343
01:38:02,310 --> 01:38:00,000
target these people

2344
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:02,320
and we keep we continue to get leads as

2345
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:03,600
i mentioned at the beginning of the

2346
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,560
program

2347
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:06,719
that even today again we were working on

2348
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:08,560
two new leads and we followed up with

2349
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:11,920
phone calls and we acquired some

2350
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,800
corroborative information of what we

2351
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:16,480
really already knew

2352
01:38:23,109 --> 01:38:19,920
but it was further a verification on on

2353
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,119
that piece of the puzzle so to speak

2354
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,159
we we continue even uh working on some

2355
01:38:33,109 --> 01:38:28,960
freedom of information act requests not

2356
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:33,119
specifically on roswell but when we have

2357
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,040
a specific little tidbit of information

2358
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:39,679
regarding some involvement with some

2359
01:38:47,030 --> 01:38:42,880
other project within the military

2360
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,040
and if it helps us further verify that

2361
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:49,679
said individual was

2362
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:51,360
then involved

2363
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:53,520
with that project and then vis-a-vis

2364
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:54,960
then they would have been involved with

2365
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,000
roswell

2366
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:59,119
we can we can then draw that we can draw

2367
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:00,639
the two together

2368
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:05,119
so it you see how it again it involves

2369
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,040
like i keep saying i use the analogy

2370
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:09,119
it's like we're investigating a crime

2371
01:39:12,629 --> 01:39:10,719
minus a crime

2372
01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,639
that it's like we have this unsolved

2373
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:14,560
this cold case

2374
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,679
now over 70 years old and we're still

2375
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:19,679
trying to solve it

2376
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:22,560
it's still a fluid investigation in that

2377
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,600
regard

2378
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:25,840
as we discussed earlier but the

2379
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:28,880
undertaker has just about taken away

2380
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:32,320
every final first-hand source that we've

2381
01:39:35,990 --> 01:39:33,360
had

2382
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:36,000
and i i can't tell you stephen how often

2383
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:37,600
the frustration

2384
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:40,480
when you finally track

2385
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:43,280
down the whereabouts of someone

2386
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,040
significant someone who was was truly or

2387
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:49,360
most likely involved and you find out

2388
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,189
or in one case we called up one

2389
01:40:02,790 --> 01:40:01,199
witnesses family

2390
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:02,800
and they were just returning from the

2391
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:04,719
funeral

2392
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:07,760
so it's gone forever whatever

2393
01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:10,719
information they had and that's the just

2394
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:12,800
the ultimate that's another thing that

2395
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,119
most people have never experienced

2396
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,760
when you lose someone

2397
01:40:23,109 --> 01:40:18,960
just

2398
01:40:26,790 --> 01:40:23,119
as far as at that stage in their lives

2399
01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:26,800
and to to then have to accept

2400
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:29,199
it's gone forever

2401
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,360
yeah i suppose unless they spoke to

2402
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:35,520
their family you're right it's just gone

2403
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:37,600
it's definitely gone and then it's a i

2404
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:40,080
think it's a huge loss because each one

2405
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:41,040
of those

2406
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,119
pieces that puzzle could be

2407
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:45,119
the final piece to put it all together

2408
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:52,550
i guess uh you know i wanted to ask you

2409
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:55,520
uh about where my listeners can buy your

2410
01:41:01,350 --> 01:40:58,960
books and where they can contact you

2411
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:01,360
well i'll be happy to uh

2412
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,159
give all that information first of all

2413
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,880
certainly amazon books

2414
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:08,880
certainly barnes and noble

2415
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,280
any fine bookstores

2416
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:13,199
throughout the country

2417
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:14,400
and

2418
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:18,080
our website is roswell investigator one

2419
01:41:23,830 --> 01:41:21,360
word roswell investigator dot com

2420
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:23,840
and then i always i also recommend that

2421
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:26,000
that you can also get our books

2422
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:27,840
at the virtual store at the

2423
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:31,679
international ufo museum and research

2424
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:32,639
center

2425
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:35,360
so our museum in roswell

2426
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:38,800
which draws a quarter million people a

2427
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:40,639
year

2428
01:41:46,310 --> 01:41:44,480
so another reason that even post roswell

2429
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,320
and i don't call them roswell slides

2430
01:41:52,709 --> 01:41:49,360
that was another thing that we tried to

2431
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:52,719
you know dip in the bud very early on

2432
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,880
because it was the skeptics

2433
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:57,119
who were quickly trying to create the

2434
01:42:01,030 --> 01:41:58,320
domain

2435
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:01,040
of roswell slides to make sure that they

2436
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:04,400
always had the the final word on the

2437
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,600
situation uh roswell had nothing to do

2438
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:09,840
with those slides and even

2439
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:12,960
less than ever as far as just a final

2440
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:16,639
caveat on that and the other thing

2441
01:42:20,310 --> 01:42:18,800
is if anybody wants to contact me

2442
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:20,320
personally

2443
01:42:29,229 --> 01:42:24,800
my email is donald dot schmidt

2444
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:32,950
att.net and i try to answer every email

2445
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,679
every question i get

2446
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,440
well i just want to take a moment to

2447
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:39,119
thank you so much for taking the time to

2448
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:41,199
talk to me you said you never lose you

2449
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,000
don't like losing this is one time when

2450
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,960
i truly hope you win

2451
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:48,400
well it's

2452
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,719
very much appreciated stephen let's do

2453
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:53,199
it again sometime in the

2454
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:55,679
future and i'll guarantee that

2455
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:56,800
we'll have

2456
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:59,199
more material more information more to

2457
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:00,400
discuss

2458
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:03,920
and as one final comment

2459
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:07,199
it it's never mattered to me

2460
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,320
being

2461
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,280
the winner the ultimate winner because

2462
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:13,280
no matter who wins

2463
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:14,639
we all win

2464
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:17,119
whoever wins this whoever succeeds and

2465
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:19,520
follow and finally proving this we all

2466
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:22,080
win i just want to be at the finish line

2467
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:24,639
that's all i ask

2468
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:28,000
well mr schmidt i for one hope that you

2469
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,520
get there and i hope you win

2470
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,600
you've done an incredible amount of work

2471
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:36,239
into this case more than anyone that i

2472
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:37,119
know

2473
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,639
and i'm so thankful that you could be

2474
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:40,480
here on our show and share your

2475
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:43,199
tremendous knowledge and expertise into

2476
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,880
this roswell mystery with me and my

2477
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,719
listeners

2478
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:52,080
and my friends i want to remind you that

2479
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:56,159
there are so many ufo frauds hoaxers and

2480
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:58,880
what i call ufo hucksters out there that

2481
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:01,280
are selling fairy tales

2482
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:02,320
and

2483
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,199
it's important that we vote

2484
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,520
right with our wallets

2485
01:44:11,910 --> 01:44:09,760
so if you want to support the work of a

2486
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:11,920
tremendous researcher

2487
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:14,800
like mr schmidt it's important that you

2488
01:44:19,350 --> 01:44:18,159
do support him by buying one or more of

2489
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:19,360
his books

2490
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:22,000
i have to say that i

2491
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:24,719
generally try to remain neutral i don't

2492
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:27,679
generally tell my listeners hey go buy

2493
01:44:30,709 --> 01:44:28,480
this

2494
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,719
because i kind of feel like my i think i

2495
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:32,639
want to let my listeners make up their

2496
01:44:38,149 --> 01:44:35,920
own mind about what to purchase or who

2497
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:38,159
to support

2498
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:41,199
in in this so-called ufo community

2499
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,400
but in this case i will absolutely make

2500
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:47,119
an exception because i have read all of

2501
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:48,400
his books

2502
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:51,520
i found them to be tremendously well

2503
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:54,320
researched well presented

2504
01:44:58,709 --> 01:44:55,119
and

2505
01:45:00,830 --> 01:44:58,719
informative entertaining to read

2506
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:00,840
every time i got one of his

2507
01:45:06,310 --> 01:45:03,840
books and began reading it

2508
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:06,320
i literally could not put the book down

2509
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,400
until i was finished

2510
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:10,560
his books are page turners

2511
01:45:16,629 --> 01:45:14,239
you go through a true journey when you

2512
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:16,639
read one of his books and it's one of

2513
01:45:21,990 --> 01:45:19,440
those kinds of books where you can't

2514
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,000
stop until you get to the end and that's

2515
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:24,639
how i have felt every time i have read

2516
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:26,320
one of his books

2517
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:28,080
i'm hopeful that he's going to write 10

2518
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:31,119
more because i so thoroughly enjoyed

2519
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:33,840
every book of his that i have gotten

2520
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,840
so i want to encourage you

2521
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:38,239
please do support my guests

2522
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:41,119
and you know help them to continue their

2523
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:46,550
as far as roswell

2524
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:48,639
roswell will continue to be

2525
01:45:55,030 --> 01:45:52,239
a subject that i follow with interest

2526
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:55,040
i have followed this

2527
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:58,239
for literally decades when i first heard

2528
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:00,239
about it

2529
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:02,080
i gotta be honest i was somewhat

2530
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:04,719
skeptical sounds like a great story an

2531
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:06,400
alien may have crashed landed and the

2532
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:09,440
government covered it up

2533
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,239
and in many stories involving ufos and

2534
01:46:17,149 --> 01:46:14,880
aliens

2535
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,159
the deeper you dig the more

2536
01:46:22,229 --> 01:46:19,600
inconsistencies you find the more fraud

2537
01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:22,239
you find the more fakery or hoaxery you

2538
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,920
find

2539
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,400
but this is the one case that for

2540
01:46:32,550 --> 01:46:29,280
you know over i don't know 70 years now

2541
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:32,560
has stood up to scrutiny and has

2542
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:33,840
continued

2543
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,149
excite people

2544
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,800
about the possibility that this case is

2545
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,800
absolutely genuine

2546
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:45,199
that these witnesses are all telling the

2547
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:48,159
truth and there's so many witnesses my

2548
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:49,360
friends

2549
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:50,880
go through

2550
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,520
some of my guests tonight's books

2551
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:55,600
and he names them

2552
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,639
and tells their stories with them or for

2553
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,639
them

2554
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:02,400
and when those cases

2555
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,000
and those witnesses

2556
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,000
you know when the when the witnesses

2557
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:08,880
start to accumulate so much

2558
01:47:15,270 --> 01:47:11,440
and you continue to hear story after

2559
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:15,280
story after story about it

2560
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:18,000
it's it's truly an incredible

2561
01:47:21,030 --> 01:47:18,960
journey

2562
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:21,040
to look into this thing

2563
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:22,719
and it has been sort of a guilty

2564
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:25,360
pleasure of mine to continue to look

2565
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:32,790
now along the way of roswell we have had

2566
01:47:37,750 --> 01:47:35,440
several people who tried to profit by

2567
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:37,760
attaching their name

2568
01:47:42,870 --> 01:47:40,159
to the roswell incident or attaching

2569
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:42,880
their book to the roswell incident or

2570
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,679
their

2571
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:45,360
film

2572
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:46,639
i mean

2573
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:48,880
what quickly comes to mind is the three

2574
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:51,119
major of them which was the alien

2575
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:53,760
autopsy hoax

2576
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:57,040
these people faked a fake alien autopsy

2577
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:59,760
claimed that it was the autopsy of one

2578
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,920
of the alien bodies recovered from

2579
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:03,360
roswell

2580
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:05,199
and it's amazing that since they

2581
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:06,400
attached

2582
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:09,280
their fakery to a true event

2583
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,760
you know people believed it

2584
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,600
and i gotta tell you that sadly some

2585
01:48:18,229 --> 01:48:15,679
people still believe in this alien

2586
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,239
autopsy hoax it's beginning to make the

2587
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,600
rounds again

2588
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:22,719
and now new claims are being made

2589
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:24,880
and you know there's these wilson

2590
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:26,960
documents that people say see

2591
01:48:30,950 --> 01:48:28,800
these wilson documents they prove that

2592
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:30,960
alien autopsy was real

2593
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:33,199
no they don't prove that but you know

2594
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,360
let people try to sell you fairy tales

2595
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,360
if you wish

2596
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:40,000
so we had the alien autopsy hoax

2597
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,280
attached itself to roswell became hugely

2598
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,520
popular and the perpetrators of that

2599
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:48,239
hoax literally made millions of dollars

2600
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:50,320
on it

2601
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:53,600
next we have jaime massan who i am

2602
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:56,320
always incredibly suspect of jaime

2603
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:00,000
massan is a mexican ufo researcher who

2604
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:03,840
has a show on ufos in the paranormal

2605
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:04,800
and

2606
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:06,880
you know i've never met him i don't know

2607
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,760
him but what i can say about him is that

2608
01:49:15,430 --> 01:49:12,080
he has been involved in many different

2609
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,440
hoaxes there was uh these fake bodies

2610
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,280
that were supposed to be fairies or

2611
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:18,960
something like that

2612
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,000
la marzulli was involved with that and

2613
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:24,239
and to his credit la marzulli

2614
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:26,080
investigated those things and quickly

2615
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,080
found out no these are fakes these are

2616
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:30,320
carnival sideshow

2617
01:49:33,669 --> 01:49:31,440
gimmicks

2618
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:33,679
that were made to appear real but

2619
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:39,270
jaime messing was also involved in

2620
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,880
another hoax where a marmoset monkey was

2621
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:45,840
mummified and claimed to be an alien

2622
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:48,639
being that someone recovered

2623
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:51,520
that was proven to be a hoax and a fraud

2624
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:54,400
and jaime's son was involved in that

2625
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,119
and most recently jaime massan has been

2626
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,639
involved in this

2627
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:00,639
ufo

2628
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,520
hoax involving the so-called roswell

2629
01:50:07,830 --> 01:50:05,040
slides

2630
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:07,840
i forgot during my show and interview

2631
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:09,920
with mr schmidt that some people may not

2632
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,920
be familiar with the roswell slides

2633
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:15,679
these were a couple of slides that

2634
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:19,119
someone was trying to say were

2635
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:21,199
pictures or slides

2636
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:22,239
from

2637
01:50:28,950 --> 01:50:26,159
pictures taken someplace of a roswell

2638
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:28,960
body on display

2639
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,440
as soon as i heard that jaime massan was

2640
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:33,760
involved in these roswell slides i

2641
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:36,480
quickly was skeptical

2642
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:39,520
but then he got some very credible ufo

2643
01:50:48,629 --> 01:50:42,320
researchers like don schmidt and

2644
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:51,109
the slides turned out to be fake

2645
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,679
the slides turned out to be nothing more

2646
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:55,440
than

2647
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:57,599
a picture of a

2648
01:51:01,350 --> 01:51:00,080
skeleton or mummified skeleton on

2649
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,360
display

2650
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,480
in some museum somewhere

2651
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:06,800
they had nothing to do with aliens and

2652
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:09,520
certainly had nothing to do with roswell

2653
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:11,760
but that did not stop jaime massan and

2654
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:14,480
the perpetrators of this hoax from

2655
01:51:18,470 --> 01:51:15,840
creating

2656
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:18,480
a very lucrative pay-per-view streaming

2657
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:21,520
event where they would show these slides

2658
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:22,639
and

2659
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:26,960
talk about all the evidence that this

2660
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,639
was an alien body recovered from roswell

2661
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:32,800
complete and total fraud complete and

2662
01:51:36,870 --> 01:51:34,800
total hoax

2663
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:36,880
next we have annie jacobson who comes

2664
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:39,840
out with a book about area 51

2665
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:42,400
and in one section of the book she lays

2666
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:45,040
out this ridiculous theory

2667
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,080
that

2668
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,239
the roswell crash was actually

2669
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:50,159
perpetrated by

2670
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:51,840
the russians

2671
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:54,560
working with dr joseph mengele to fake

2672
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,080
alien bodies

2673
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,320
and make it crash lands so that we would

2674
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:01,280
panic that aliens were invading us

2675
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,800
came from one

2676
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:04,560
ridiculous source that has since

2677
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,000
recanted his

2678
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:08,320
stories and said he was just trying to

2679
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:10,000
help her sell books

2680
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:12,639
my point here friends is do not support

2681
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:15,040
those people out there selling roswell

2682
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:18,000
fairy tales support the real researchers

2683
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:21,920
like my guest tonight don schmidt

2684
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:24,800
well my friends i can see

2685
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,360
that our time is once again running

2686
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:30,320
short here on the midnight hour show i

2687
01:52:35,669 --> 01:52:32,719
want to thank you for joining us for

2688
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,679
this incredible mystery tonight

2689
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:38,000
i'm stephen cambion also known as the

2690
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:40,560
mystery man reminding you that it's not

2691
01:54:14,310 --> 01:52:44,080
my job to expose the fakes in due time

2692
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:37,980
so